Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 247475)

I don't think Hines' cap hit is quite that high, but Hines is very well compensated for a RB - he is currently projected as the 15th highest cap hit for RB's for 2023 since many RB's are on rookie deals.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings...-back/cap-hit/


But I agree - I think the move was made to re-adjust funds in next year's budget.

Also wonder if Buffalo keeps Hines or if he ends up being a rental. If he stays with the Bills, I imagine they will try to renegotiate his contract.

Originally Posted by HoosierinFL (Post 247493)

I don’t have a problem with this. Hines is a liability in the run game. He’s too undersized to be running between the tackles - we just got done complaining about this in another thread.

What good is a back up RB who can’t be counted on to get positive yardage in the run game? Sure’s he’s made some really good catches, including this last game on that fade, but that’s why we have WRs. Hines isnt such a great receiver that he should be getting looks like that over Pittman/Campbell/Pierce. We can do just fine throwing to RBs in the flat or on wheel routes, and all the other 3 RBs on the roster can do that, plus actually take handoffs and get yards. Hines doesn’t even get YAC as a receiver for that matter.

Hines is a gimmick/gadget type player and we don’t do the fundamentals well enough to be trying gimmicks. We’re just trying to win football games.

There’s been a ton of hype surrounding his skill set for the past few years but where’s the production outside of a handful of nice catches?

Originally Posted by HoosierinFL (Post 247493)

I don’t have a problem with this. Hines is a liability in the run game. He’s too undersized to be running between the tackles - we just got done complaining about this in another thread.

What good is a back up RB who can’t be counted on to get positive yardage in the run game? Sure’s he’s made some really good catches, including this last game on that fade, but that’s why we have WRs. Hines isnt such a great receiver that he should be getting looks like that over Pittman/Campbell/Pierce. We can do just fine throwing to RBs in the flat or on wheel routes, and all the other 3 RBs on the roster can do that, plus actually take handoffs and get yards. Hines doesn’t even get YAC as a receiver for that matter.

Hines is a gimmick/gadget type player and we don’t do the fundamentals well enough to be trying gimmicks. We’re just trying to win football games.

There’s been a ton of hype surrounding his skill set for the past few years but where’s the production outside of a handful of nice catches?

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 247508)

Hines problem is we haven’t had a quarterback good enough to make him effective since old man Rivers. He caught 63 balls that year and was a decent threat out of the backfield.

I think he’s perfect for Buffalo. He has an elite quarterback who is also a running threat and a great offensive mind as coach.

I think Hines will absolutely kill it there.

Again, good for him. If that pick ends up being a 5th, I’ll be ok with the trade.

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 247519)

Moss and a 6th is fine value depending on how much you like Moss. Count me in the "cap savings and flexibility is the best part of this deal" camp.

Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 247516)

Clearly a salary cap move, although looks like Hines had $0 guaranteed for '23 and '24 so we may have released him in the offseason. Hope he does well in Buff and gets a ring. Too bad our coaching staff forgot how to use him after '20.

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood (Post 247494)

I love these hypotheticals conversations:

Ballard: "Hey Nyheim, we need to talk. I hear you are frustrated with the team. Frank said the other day when you came off the field you yelled at him that he was a stupid fuck"

Hines: "No, no, not what happened. I made an 18 yard catch and was called off the field for next play. I was walking by Brady and he looked at me and said - "don't blame me, this is Frank's call. So I looked over and saw Frank had that stupid fucking play sheet that everyone knows doesn't even have plays on it, he was looking down at it pretending to locate the next play, so I just yelled at him to quit pretending to be a coach you stupid fuck".

Ballard: "Well Frank wants to trade you, what should we do?"

Hines: "What should you do, you should fire that idiot, that's what you should do. I am one of the fastest players in the NFL, but I'm not a bruiser, and that dumb ass plays me like every 6th play and when I am on the field he runs me up the middle. Did you see the TD I got this weekend- how many times have we even tried to run outside this year, like 3?

No, tell ya what, cut me, stab me, shoot me, just get me away from that fucking moron. Oh and while you are at it, you should fire him and then you should resign because you are just as stupid as he is, Matt fucking Pryor, dude how do you look at yourself in the mirror and how does your wife stand telling people you are a football GM."

That's how I like to visualize Hines getting out of here. Good for him, damn he just adds another layer of skill to that lethal machine.

Originally Posted by DragonTails (Post 247525)

Sounds like the next Netflix mini series trailer right there.