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omahacolt 01-05-2020 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 150631)
They didnt need to, they had Castonzo. And they did put Smith at G , but moved him to T because neither Clark or Hague could handle the RT spot.

Ok, I was thinking it would be easier to find a G than a top LT in the draft or free agency

Of course it is easier to find a guard. That doesn’t mean a good guard should just move to LT

JAFF 01-05-2020 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 150647)
Nelson has made all pro each of his first two years. Moving him to a new position would be insane.

And how does it work when a team doesnt have a sound left tackle?

I appreciate his skills in his first two years. He could be the John Hannah for this team. He is one of the most athletic limen in the NFL.

The thread is about the possible loss of Castonzo. Colts are looking for a QB and now maybe a LT. I’m not sure having a great RG will be that beneficial if the LT plays like tony ugoh

JAFF 01-05-2020 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 150649)
Of course it is easier to find a guard. That doesn’t mean a good guard should just move to LT

Jake Scott was a good guard. Nelson is an exceptional guard, with exceptional athletic ability

Maniac 01-05-2020 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 150631)
They didnt need to, they had Castonzo. And they did put Smith at G , but moved him to T because neither Clark or Hague could handle the RT spot.

Ok, I was thinking it would be easier to find a G than a top LT in the draft or free agency

My point is that when they put Smith at tackle, they didn't choose to put Nelson there instead, and that was for a reason.

Oldcolt 01-05-2020 05:23 PM

Nelson isn't going anywhere, at least I hope not. Having him in the middle where he uses his athletic ability to help out and, more importantly, he keeps the pocket from collapsing. He is a guard and a great one at that. Don't mess with what is working for this team.

JAFF 01-05-2020 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by HoosierinFL (Post 150524)
No, Nelson cannot play tackle. But I do believe that Clark can fill in. We've tried him at RT and it didn't work out, but I believe he is more naturally suited to LT and he's looked better on that side in the limited time he's been needed there.
For now I'm not worried about him.
Besides, even though Haeg and Clark never looked all that great (not bad, just not great) in their 1st and 2nd years, both are veterans now and might have actually learned a lot behind the scenes and we just haven't had an opportunity to see it because we haven't needed to call on them in the games.
I remain optimistic about both of them.

Clark wasnt active for the last half of the season

JAFF 01-05-2020 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 150649)
Of course it is easier to find a guard. That doesn’t mean a good guard should just move to LT

He’s one of the best lineman in the NFL. He maybe one of the best athletes on the team

YDFL Commish 01-05-2020 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 150653)
And how does it work when a team doesnt have a sound left tackle?

I appreciate his skills in his first two years. He could be the John Hannah for this team. He is one of the most athletic limen in the NFL.

The thread is about the possible loss of Castonzo. Colts are looking for a QB and now maybe a LT. I’m not sure having a great RG will be that beneficial if the LT plays like tony ugoh

Actually Braden Smith is much more athletic than Nelson. His measurables were off the charts for being drafted as a guard.

Butter 01-06-2020 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 150690)
He’s one of the best lineman in the NFL. He maybe one of the best athletes on the team

He is on his way to being one of the best guards of all time, you leave him there and build the line around him.

Brylok 02-25-2020 12:42 PM

Zach Keefer has reported that Castonzo will be returning to the Colts next year. That's a big relief, but he's obviously pondering retirement and his eventual replacement needs to be drafted/found in advance. Nice to have him back for at least an additional year.

Brylok 02-25-2020 12:44 PM

Ballard is addressing the media right now and has confirmed the return.

Racehorse 02-25-2020 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 154577)
Ballard is addressing the media right now and has confirmed the return.

Time to change the thread title to Returning!!!

Butter 02-25-2020 01:41 PM

That is a relief,

Discflinger 02-25-2020 02:23 PM

Still love to draft a T high(2 or 3), put him at RT, allowing Braden to serve RG/T depth.

Maniac 02-25-2020 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Discflinger (Post 154610)
Still love to draft a T high(2 or 3), put him at RT, allowing Braden to serve RG/T depth.

too many other needs. They can address it late, but not a high pick hopefully.

Chromeburn 02-25-2020 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Discflinger (Post 154610)
Still love to draft a T high(2 or 3), put him at RT, allowing Braden to serve RG/T depth.

I like Smith there. I think he did a good job. I would rather upgrade the LG position which is easier to do than find a RT.

Butter 02-25-2020 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 154626)
I like Smith there. I think he did a good job. I would rather upgrade the LG position which is easier to do than find a RT.

The only way I go T now is one we can develop to eventually replace AC since it sounds like we are looking year to year with him now.

rm1369 02-25-2020 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 154627)
The only way I go T now is one we can develop to eventually replace AC since it sounds like we are looking year to year with him now.

OT is still 3rd on the priority list for me at 13 - behind QB and DT.

Puck 02-25-2020 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 154626)
I like Smith there. I think he did a good job. I would rather upgrade the LG position which is easier to do than find a RT.


I assume you meant RG

Chaka 02-25-2020 05:01 PM

Interesting development. Makes me wonder what would motivate Castonzo to first float the idea of a retirement, and then decide to return, but only on a year-to-year basis. Trying to read the tea leaves here.

Maybe it's as simple as a desire to earn a few more bucks before retirement, but I have to think that the Colts made some sort of sales pitch to him to convince him to return. If so, what would that pitch have been? We're planning on drafting a developmental QB and you can block for him? I wouldn't think that would be too enticing unless he gets paid really well. We're planning on bringing in a proven vet QB and will have a legit shot at the playoffs? Seems more appealing.

So, do you think this moves the needle closer to the possibility of bringing in a vet QB? Or do you think it's more simple, and just about Castonzo not being ready to let the game go so deciding to play one more season?

JAFF 02-25-2020 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 154647)
Interesting development. Makes me wonder what would motivate Castonzo to first float the idea of a retirement, and then decide to return, but only on a year-to-year basis. Trying to read the tea leaves here.

Maybe it's as simple as a desire to earn a few more bucks before retirement, but I have to think that the Colts made some sort of sales pitch to him to convince him to return. If so, what would that pitch have been? We're planning on drafting a developmental QB and you can block for him? I wouldn't think that would be too enticing unless he gets paid really well. We're planning on bringing in a proven vet QB and will have a legit shot at the playoffs? Seems more appealing.

So, do you think this moves the needle closer to the possibility of bringing in a vet QB? Or do you think it's more simple, and just about Castonzo not being ready to let the game go so deciding to play one more season?

He’s a very well educated man he has the ability to go and do almost anything he wants to do so I don’t believe it’s about money he had to decide if he was willing to take another couple years of a beating that offense lineman take on every play.

Luck4Reich 02-25-2020 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 154647)
Interesting development. Makes me wonder what would motivate Castonzo to first float the idea of a retirement, and then decide to return, but only on a year-to-year basis. Trying to read the tea leaves here.

Maybe it's as simple as a desire to earn a few more bucks before retirement, but I have to think that the Colts made some sort of sales pitch to him to convince him to return. If so, what would that pitch have been? We're planning on drafting a developmental QB and you can block for him? I wouldn't think that would be too enticing unless he gets paid really well. We're planning on bringing in a proven vet QB and will have a legit shot at the playoffs? Seems more appealing.

So, do you think this moves the needle closer to the possibility of bringing in a vet QB? Or do you think it's more simple, and just about Castonzo not being ready to let the game go so deciding to play one more season?



Great point and question.... it's not unrealistic to think he considered retirement if chances of winning a SB was far off in his mind. Maybe he was convinced otherwise.

smitty46953 02-25-2020 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 154647)
Interesting development. Makes me wonder what would motivate Castonzo to first float the idea of a retirement, and then decide to return, but only on a year-to-year basis. Trying to read the tea leaves here.

Maybe it's as simple as a desire to earn a few more bucks before retirement, but I have to think that the Colts made some sort of sales pitch to him to convince him to return. If so, what would that pitch have been? We're planning on drafting a developmental QB and you can block for him? I wouldn't think that would be too enticing unless he gets paid really well. We're planning on bringing in a proven vet QB and will have a legit shot at the playoffs? Seems more appealing.

So, do you think this moves the needle closer to the possibility of bringing in a vet QB? Or do you think it's more simple, and just about Castonzo not being ready to let the game go so deciding to play one more season?

Just my opinion

Last year Castonzo's total contract was worth $11,050,000 if they sign him he will ask for over the $16,020,000 OL Franchise tag amount, if not signed and Colts tag him for $16,020,000 either way a nice farewell retirement plan. :cool:

Racehorse 02-25-2020 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 154626)
I like Smith there. I think he did a good job. I would rather upgrade the LG position which is easier to do than find a RT.

What is your issue with Big Q?

Chromeburn 02-25-2020 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 154676)
What is your issue with Big Q?

Haha. So overrated. If he was that good we shouldn’t even need a tackle. He should just block the whole left side, blitzes included.

So obviously I meant RG.

Ironshaft 02-26-2020 08:58 AM

I am glad that AC is returning. Our great O-Line from 2019 will continue.

However, with Haeg heading to free agency (I believe that he is good enough that someone will pay him low end starter money) and Clark being no more than just okay, I still want an OT with one of our top three picks (Rounds 1 and 2) in 2020.

We need to rebuild our quality depth on the O-line with Haeg departing and prepare that AC will depart in the near future (1 or 2 years from now).

As an added bonus, we could see if the rookie would be ready to play this year which would add competition to RG Glowinski where he will either rise to the occasion and retain his starting spot (play like he did in 2019) or become somewhat high paid depth on the inside if supplanted by either the rookie or by Smith kicking inside with the rookie playing RT.

I like the look of this:

LT Castonzo (1st round pick)
LG Nelson (1st round pick)
OC Kelly (1st round pick)
RG Smith (2nd round pick)
RT Rookie (1st/2nd round pick)

Interior Depth: Glowinski (4th round pick)
OT Depth: Smith
Developmental Depth: Lower round 2020 rookie (4th/5th/6th round pick)

After those seven, then whichever UDFA/street free agent the team likes for numbers 8/9/10 on the active / practice squad.

Keep the O-Line strong; that is one of the drive engines to a top offense.

YDFL Commish 02-26-2020 09:15 AM

There are some good OT's in this draft.


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