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Puck 01-19-2019 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 107416)
Almost any safety can do what Hooker did last year.

I’m talking upgrading geathers not hooker. Not necessarily with the 1st pick but hopefully BPA covers one of those 4 spots and you take the best of the 4

VeveJones007 01-19-2019 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 107415)
I understand how we use the SS. We don’t need to spend a 1 on a safety when we have a spotty at best pass rush. We have no good de’s. No great 3 tech or nt.

Luckily the Colts have pick 34 they could also use on a SS.

This really isn’t that complicated. If you could take Harold Landry or Derwin James, you take James every day. You don’t rule out a position when you don’t know who is available.

Colt Classic 01-19-2019 04:27 PM

I didn't see much of any impact from any safety--is it due to just how this defense is?--to warrant using a high pick on the position. Find another Antoine Bethea.

omahacolt 01-19-2019 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 107418)
I’m talking upgrading geathers not hooker. Not necessarily with the 1st pick but hopefully BPA covers one of those 4 spots and you take the best of the 4

I wasn’t talking to you about hooker either. That was a separate conversation.

Bring back geathers and Farley and ss isn’t a need. We need to focus on the front 4.

YDFL Commish 01-19-2019 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 107416)
Almost any safety can do what Hooker did last year.


Hooker admittedly was not the same player last year. But, I think that you under value his contribution.

The Colts defense was rarely were challenged with the deep ball partly because Hooker did his job of manning center field.

I totally agree that Geathers and Farley make a good enough SS tandem that SS should not be much of a consideration in the draft.

VeveJones007 01-19-2019 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Colt Classic (Post 107425)
I didn't see much of any impact from any safety--is it due to just how this defense is?--to warrant using a high pick on the position. Find another Antoine Bethea.

You can have your other Antoine Bethea. I want another Bob Sanders.

VeveJones007 01-19-2019 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 107429)
I wasn’t talking to you about hooker either. That was a separate conversation.

Bring back geathers and Farley and ss isn’t a need. We need to focus on the front 4.

Geathers & Farley give the same level of competence as the current DL. Neither position is good enough to dominate and be the difference in winning a game. Ballard needs to try and upgrade both this offseason.

Colt Classic 01-19-2019 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 107432)
You can have your other Antoine Bethea. I want another Bob Sanders.

I'd prefer someone who is on the field more often than he was if it's going to be a second round pick.

YDFL Commish 01-19-2019 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 107433)
Geathers & Farley give the same level of competence as the current DL. Neither position is good enough to dominate and be the difference in winning a game. Ballard needs to try and upgrade both this offseason.

The unique thing abou Bob Sanders, was that you could play him at either FS or SS.

I feel like Bethea was the same way, without having the impact plays of Bob Sanders.

omahacolt 01-19-2019 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 107433)
Geathers & Farley give the same level of competence as the current DL. Neither position is good enough to dominate and be the difference in winning a game. Ballard needs to try and upgrade both this offseason.

Dline is vastly more important. You want to win the super bowl, you have to win up front.

DrSpaceman 01-19-2019 11:59 PM

I'd rather not draft another safety.

Need corners, LB, DL, WR.

Not in that order though. LB/DL is still most important I think. That will improve the corner play.

Dam8610 01-20-2019 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 107432)
You can have your other Antoine Bethea. I want another Bob Sanders.

Without the injury problems.

That said, por que no los dos?

Chromeburn 01-20-2019 04:09 PM

The Bucs are transitioning to a 3-4 from their 4-3 tampa-2 inspired scheme. Might be able to get some players for a firesale. Specifically, they have two good LB's there.

Puck 01-20-2019 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpaceman (Post 107444)
I'd rather not draft another safety.

Need corners, LB, DL, WR.

Not in that order though. LB/DL is still most important I think. That will improve the corner play.

We are in Much better shape at LB than we are at SS

VeveJones007 01-20-2019 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 107446)
Without the injury problems.

That said, por que no los dos?

That’s my same argument for wanting help at both DL and SS, so fair enough.

TheMugwump 01-21-2019 06:04 PM

I'd be happy with one of those first two picks being used on the best O-lineman available. The other on DT/DE.

The game is won in the trenches, and they couldn't run on one of the worst run defenses in the league.

After that, two WR and the rest defense.

rcubed 01-23-2019 01:11 PM

Bovada odds for next season superbowl:
Rams +700
Chargers +750
Chiefs +800
Pats +800
Colts +1000

Not bad (I know it doesnt really mean anything)

Dam8610 01-23-2019 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 107862)
Bovada odds for next season superbowl:
Rams +700
Chargers +750
Chiefs +800
Pats +800
Colts +1000

Not bad (I know it doesnt really mean anything)

It means that Vegas recognizes how well positioned the Colts are moving forward. They have 3 of the top 60 picks in the upcoming draft as well as the largest pile of cash to spend of anyone and are coming off a playoff berth that included a wild card round win. I don't know that there's a team in the NFL with a better combination of talent on the roster and resources available to improve the roster than the Colts in 2019.

kitekrazy 01-28-2019 08:32 PM

Not to start the season 1-5.

apballin 01-28-2019 10:40 PM

Sign Clowney or Lawrence

Dewey 5 01-28-2019 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 108356)
Sign Clowney or Lawrence

Neither will be available, imo.

Dam8610 02-05-2019 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 107415)
I understand how we use the SS. We don’t need to spend a 1 on a safety when we have a spotty at best pass rush. We have no good de’s. No great 3 tech or nt.

Name the pass rusher that will be available at pick 26 that's worth the pick.

Discflinger 02-06-2019 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 107198)
Wishes?

1 wish.

Beat the Patriots like a drum

I don't think we play them next year.

sherck 02-06-2019 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 109190)
Name the pass rusher that will be available at pick 26 that's worth the pick.

I don't know. However, I do know that of all the double digit sackmasters for 2018:

15.5 sacks in 2018 = Chris Jones, drafted 37th overall in 2016
14.5 sacks in 2018 = Danielle Hunter, drafted 88th overall in 2015
13.0 sacks in 2018 = Frank Clark, drafted 63rd overall in 2015
13.0 sacks in 2018 = T.J. Watt, drafted 30th overall in 2017
13.0 sacks in 2018 = Dee Ford, drafted 23rd overall in 2014 (in the ballpark)
12.0 sacks in 2018 = Cameron Jordan, drafted 24th overall in 2011 (in the ballpark)
10.5 sacks in 2018 = Calais Campbell, drafted 50th overall in 2008
10.5 sacks in 2018 = DeMarcus Lawrence, drafted 34th overall in 2014
10.5 sacks in 2018 = Jarrad Reed, drafted 49th overall in 2016
10.5 sacks in 2018 = Kyle Frackrell, drafted 88th overall in 2016
10.0 sacks in 2018 = Geno Atkins, drafted 120th overall in 2010
(11 men drafted around or lower than the 26th overall pick)

That said, sure, Aaron Donald, J.J. Watt, Von Miller, Myles Garrett, Ryan Kerrigan, Jason Pierre Paul, Chandler Jones, Khalil Mack, DeForest Buckner, Bradley Chubb, and Fletcher Cox (11 men) were all drafted in the top half of the first round.

But half and half? While I totally agree that the men drafted in the top half of the first round have a much BETTER chance of becoming an impact player / sackmaster, that does not preclude a guy drafted lower from becoming one as well through player development and great coaching.

By your logic, Roquan Smith should have been gifted DROY honors at the beginning of the season because he was drafted high. No way Leonard could be an impact player as a 2nd rounder.

Have faith in Ballard's talent evaluation process. He has done pretty good so far.

Walk Worthy,

Oldcolt 02-06-2019 09:13 AM

It is rare for a rookie to be a dominant pass rusher. They take time to develop. We have young talented players on the line who need to develop. If one or both of our second round picks from last year make a jump and the other guys improve with a full off season in this scheme we should be much better. If we get lucky and one of the premier pass rushers becomes available so much the better. I’m saying that we don’t need to drop 20 million on a free agent to develop a pass rush. And just by dropping 20 million it doesn’t guarantee a great pass rush

Dam8610 02-06-2019 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 109235)
I don't know. However, I do know that of all the double digit sackmasters for 2018:

15.5 sacks in 2018 = Chris Jones, drafted 37th overall in 2016
14.5 sacks in 2018 = Danielle Hunter, drafted 88th overall in 2015
13.0 sacks in 2018 = Frank Clark, drafted 63rd overall in 2015
13.0 sacks in 2018 = T.J. Watt, drafted 30th overall in 2017
13.0 sacks in 2018 = Dee Ford, drafted 23rd overall in 2014 (in the ballpark)
12.0 sacks in 2018 = Cameron Jordan, drafted 24th overall in 2011 (in the ballpark)
10.5 sacks in 2018 = Calais Campbell, drafted 50th overall in 2008
10.5 sacks in 2018 = DeMarcus Lawrence, drafted 34th overall in 2014
10.5 sacks in 2018 = Jarrad Reed, drafted 49th overall in 2016
10.5 sacks in 2018 = Kyle Frackrell, drafted 88th overall in 2016
10.0 sacks in 2018 = Geno Atkins, drafted 120th overall in 2010
(11 men drafted around or lower than the 26th overall pick)

That said, sure, Aaron Donald, J.J. Watt, Von Miller, Myles Garrett, Ryan Kerrigan, Jason Pierre Paul, Chandler Jones, Khalil Mack, DeForest Buckner, Bradley Chubb, and Fletcher Cox (11 men) were all drafted in the top half of the first round.

But half and half? While I totally agree that the men drafted in the top half of the first round have a much BETTER chance of becoming an impact player / sackmaster, that does not preclude a guy drafted lower from becoming one as well through player development and great coaching.

By your logic, Roquan Smith should have been gifted DROY honors at the beginning of the season because he was drafted high. No way Leonard could be an impact player as a 2nd rounder.

Have faith in Ballard's talent evaluation process. He has done pretty good so far.

Walk Worthy,

22 guys got 10+ sacks last year. Half were drafted in the Top 15 of their respective draft classes. 64% were First Round picks. 82% were Top 50 picks. That shows that if you want a premier pass rusher, investing in the position early in the draft is important.

The DL talent in this class is expected to move early, with possibly all 5 of the top 5 picks being DL, and as many as 10 of the top 15 being DL. The talent is there, it's just being recognized and will likely be plucked off the board before the Colts have an opportunity to pick. That's not to say Ballard couldn't hit another home run with a guy like Charles Omenihu, that's just recognizing that the Colts played themselves out of a chance at the premium pass rush talent in this class. They're not getting a Nick Bosa, Quinnen Williams, Josh Allen, Rashan Gary, Ed Oliver, Clelin Ferrell, Montez Sweat, Jeffery Simmons, and probably not Jachai Polite or Christian Wilkins (Dexter Lawrence will probably be gone, too, but the Colts aren't likely to draft him). That's all of the consensus first round DL talent, and it's all likely to go top 20, maybe one falls into the 21-25 range. Obviously none of us know who is going to be successful from this class and who is going to bust, but I'd feel a lot more confident in the chances of the Colts getting a premiere pass rusher out of this draft if they come away with a Montez Sweat or Clelin Ferrell than if they don't.

smitty46953 02-22-2019 05:50 PM

Compensatory picks have been announced. Colts add a fourth-rounder (No. 135 overall) as expected. :cool:

Butter 02-22-2019 10:01 PM

I'll take it.

Coltsalr 02-22-2019 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 109190)
Name the pass rusher that will be available at pick 26 that's worth the pick.

Oshane Ximines and/or Jaylon Ferguson?

Dam8610 02-23-2019 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 110411)
Oshane Ximines and/or Jaylon Ferguson?

Not worth the pick.

Chromeburn 02-23-2019 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 110411)
Oshane Ximines and/or Jaylon Ferguson?

Those two have big warning flags. I would not spend a first on either. I would go another position. 3-techs Dre’mont Jones and Jeff Tillery should be there. Tillery is tall and athletic with good production. I think he is on Eberflus’ short list.

sherck 02-23-2019 06:01 PM

If I had my choice, I would add a DE in free agency (bid for best available) and draft 3-tech and NT at 26 and 34. Young inside tandem to pair with Autey and Lewis with Ridgeway as 5th man would greatly improve our D-Line.

After that, BPA all the way.

Walk Worthy,

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FatDT 02-23-2019 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 110453)
If I had my choice, I would add a DE in free agency (bid for best available) and draft 3-tech and NT at 26 and 34. Young inside tandem to pair with Autey and Lewis with Ridgeway as 5th man would greatly improve our D-Line.

After that, BPA all the way.

Walk Worthy,

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

Ridgeway barely played the second half of the season. Don’t be surprised if he gets cut.

smitty46953 02-26-2019 12:22 PM

Indianapolis Colts‏Verified account @Colts

We have signed TE Ross Travis to a one-year contract extension.

:cool:

Coltsalr 02-27-2019 10:33 PM

@RapSheet
Sources: The #Chiefs have had trade talks centered around star pass-rusher Justin Houston. With Houston’s cap number and the potential to franchise tag Dee Ford, Houston appears to be a rare top pass-rusher available. Teams have been calling with real interest.



Wonder if Ballard will make an exception with a former player of his. He did just turn 30 but he’s still quite effective.

VeveJones007 02-28-2019 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 110824)
@RapSheet
Sources: The #Chiefs have had trade talks centered around star pass-rusher Justin Houston. With Houston’s cap number and the potential to franchise tag Dee Ford, Houston appears to be a rare top pass-rusher available. Teams have been calling with real interest.



Wonder if Ballard will make an exception with a former player of his. He did just turn 30 but he’s still quite effective.

Ballard was pretty clear today: he's not in the business of subtracting draft picks. Now if Houston is cut, that might be a possibility.

Oldcolt 02-28-2019 11:31 AM

Just a comment after listening to Ballard and Reich yesterday. Damn did we luck into the jackpot. It's getting to the point that I just trust that these guys have there shit together and will do the right thing. They both have the same plan that they actually believe in. They don't even seem tempted by Bell/Brown. I've always believed that gm/coaching is the real key to winning in any sport. It's early but so far I can't believe how fortunate we are. It's especially sweet for all us Freaks who suffered thru the last few years of absolute incompetence.

Coltsalr 03-01-2019 12:42 PM

@MikeGarafolo
The #Giants have discussed the possibility of trading LB Olivier Vernon, sources tell me and @RapSheet. The big score of free agency a few years ago, Vernon might have played his last down as a Giant.

FatDT 03-01-2019 12:44 PM

He was overrated and overpaid when they signed him. Zero interest in that guy.

smitty46953 03-02-2019 03:40 PM

Patriots have released Dwayne Allen saving $7.8 million. Raiders resigned OT Denzelle Good 1 year @ $1.8 million

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