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Chromeburn 01-11-2019 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 105364)
They don't have the leverage to get a 1. I'd be shocked if they had enough to get more than a 4.

Why don’t they have leverage? That Moss trade was years ago and he wasn’t valued as high because a few off years. Landry went for a 2? Cooper went for a 1. What did Golden Tate go for? Brown is better than all of them. Sureteams will lowball, but someone will give up a higher pick.

Dam8610 01-11-2019 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 105369)
Why don’t they have leverage? That Moss trade was years ago and he wasn’t valued as high because a few off years. Landry went for a 2? Cooper went for a 1. What did Golden Tate go for? Brown is better than all of them. Sureteams will lowball, but someone will give up a higher pick.

It looks to me like Brown isn't willing to play another down as a Steeler, which significantly reduces the leverage the Steelers have in trade talks. Normally, they should expect a 1 for a player of Brown's caliber, but if he won't come back to the team, they have to get rid of him and take what they can get.

Chromeburn 01-11-2019 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 105371)
It looks to me like Brown isn't willing to play another down as a Steeler, which significantly reduces the leverage the Steelers have in trade talks. Normally, they should expect a 1 for a player of Brown's caliber, but if he won't come back to the team, they have to get rid of him and take what they can get.

Well after watching the Bell debacle. Seems they are fine with letting a guy sit home.

Dam8610 01-11-2019 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 105372)
Well after watching the Bell debacle. Seems they are fine with letting a guy sit home.

Hey, that eats even more of their cap for 0 production. I'm all for it.

VeveJones007 01-11-2019 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 105367)
I didn't read the whole thread, but we have Cain and Fountain. Let's see what they have and not waste resources on a WR1. We need a pass-rusher or two more anyway

With a boatload of cap space and 6 picks in the first four rounds, there's no reason they can't accomplish both.

Brylok 01-11-2019 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 105383)
With a boatload of cap space and 6 picks in the first four rounds, there's no reason they can't accomplish both.

I hope so. I just prefer to work on the defense first, but I'll trust whatever Ballard and Reich decide.

Dam8610 01-11-2019 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 105383)
With a boatload of cap space and 6 picks in the first four rounds, there's no reason they can't accomplish both.

If Ballard is really concerned about WR, sign Tate to a stopgap deal. This draft needs to be about defense.

Coltsalr 01-12-2019 03:05 PM

Per this article (from a Broncos site) the asking price for Antonio Brown is a 2nd round pick:

https://www.milehighreport.com/2019/...-antonio-brown

Get it done.

Dam8610 01-12-2019 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 105566)
Per this article (from a Broncos site) the asking price for Antonio Brown is a 2nd round pick:

https://www.milehighreport.com/2019/...-antonio-brown

Get it done.

They won't get a 2 because they have no leverage. When they're ready to accept a 4 is the time to strike.

Puck 01-12-2019 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 105579)
They won't get a 2 because they have no leverage. When they're ready to accept a 4 is the time to strike.


No one saw the 1 for Cooper either

rcubed 01-12-2019 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 105593)
No one saw the 1 for Cooper either

I hope ballard doesnt go full-on grigson...

apballin 01-13-2019 09:45 PM

I’d take Brown in a heartbeat, can’t double him and TY. Bottom line TY needs help and the young inexperienced guys are too much of a ? At this point. That would be 2 of the best WR in the league on the same team no way you can stop that

Chromeburn 01-13-2019 10:04 PM

I’d rather draft his cousin Marquis Brown from Oklahoma with our two and have him for ten years. Than trade a valuable draft pick for a 31 year old receiver.

DrSpaceman 01-13-2019 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 106585)
I’d rather draft his cousin Marquis Brown from Oklahoma with our two and have him for ten years. Than trade a valuable draft pick for a 31 year old receiver.

Didn't realize his cousin was in the draft.

Not a big college football guy myself, just follow it peripherally

VeveJones007 01-13-2019 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 106585)
I’d rather draft his cousin Marquis Brown from Oklahoma with our two and have him for ten years. Than trade a valuable draft pick for a 31 year old receiver.

Not that I dislike Brown, but I strongly suspect Ballard is going to want bigger bodies at WR.

Butter 01-14-2019 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 106584)
I’d take Brown in a heartbeat, can’t double him and TY. Bottom line TY needs help and the young inexperienced guys are too much of a ? At this point. That would be 2 of the best WR in the league on the same team no way you can stop that

His talent would be great, his diva BS not so much. I also don't like giving up much more than a 4th or maybe 3rd for a 31 year old diva.

Chromeburn 01-14-2019 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 106593)
Not that I dislike Brown, but I strongly suspect Ballard is going to want bigger bodies at WR.

Probably, he seems to like bigger receivers. But hopefully, this year gave him a newfound appreciation for hands and route running.

apballin 01-14-2019 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 106607)
His talent would be great, his diva BS not so much. I also don't like giving up much more than a 4th or maybe 3rd for a 31 year old diva.

I’m not worried about his age WR can play at a high level for much longer not like he’s a RB

southside asshole 01-15-2019 11:35 AM

Brown is talented for sure and would be an immediate impact player on the field, but I'm going to beat the same drum I've been beating all year and say there's no way I want him in this locker room.

Culture is so important. It's critical in any collaborative process, but maybe even moreso on a football team where trust and communication are being relied upon in real-time.

This is still a very young team, with a new culture and identity. When you bring in an expensive free agent like Brown, that salary comes with a lot of clout and prestige in a locker room. It would be impossible for him to not be influential from day 1. And I think we know enough to say that influence would not be positive.


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