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Spike 10-19-2017 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by testcase448 (Post 35094)
That's exactly correct, build a team, THEN add a QB. Throwing a frachise QB in the situation Luck faced just gets them killed.

What have we got for drafting Luck? A team pretty bare across the board talent wise except Luck, who is damaged.
Nope, you don't pass on a QB like Luck. If Griggs and Pags had done their job correctly, we would have a real team by now. To pass on Luck would have been idiotic.

Brylok 10-19-2017 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 34921)
"Congrats, I am really really proud." Chuck Pagano

*(as heard daily on Dan Dakich Show)

:cool:
I've been listening here and there this season. Those congratulations segments make me laugh.

Brylok 10-19-2017 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 35098)
It is as much about the fact it is a fairly small market with its edges having a fairly strong historical affiliation with other markets. It makes it hard to have as many diehard fans. Shit look at how poorly many larger markets have done with teams struggling, the Colts fan base does not look so bad then. We are certainly not Browns fans, but we could be LA fans.
That's also true. I failed to mention it before, but many die hard fans have been priced out of attendance. The lower-income die hards are the fans that roar during games. But after the necessities are paid for, there's no Colts budget. It's probably the same everywhere, but being in a small market makes it worse.

VeveJones007 10-20-2017 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 35068)
No, a high draft pick needs to be a defensive stalwart, something to compliment Luck and build a defense around. I'm sure one of those exists in this draft.
It doesn't have to be a huge trade down if someone right behind the Colts is dumb like the Bears were with SF last year. Having a higher pick just gives the Colts more options.

Maniac 10-20-2017 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by testcase448 (Post 35094)
That's exactly correct, build a team, THEN add a QB. Throwing a frachise QB in the situation Luck faced just gets them killed.

What have we got for drafting Luck? A team pretty bare across the board talent wise except Luck, who is damaged.
That's dumb.

When you get the chance to draft a franchise QB and you need one, you do it. The failure to build a team around Luck wasn't because they drafted a franchise QB. They just made stupid draft choices and free agent choices.

The quickest path to success in this league is having a franchise QB. That's why they are so valuable, because they make that much of a difference. You don't EVER pass that up if you have a need there.

testcase448 10-20-2017 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by JesusChrist (Post 35159)
That's dumb.

When you get the chance to draft a franchise QB and you need one, you do it. The failure to build a team around Luck wasn't because they drafted a franchise QB. They just made stupid draft choices and free agent choices.

The quickest path to success in this league is having a franchise QB. That's why they are so valuable, because they make that much of a difference. You don't EVER pass that up if you have a need there.
I disagree, it's stupid to invest in a franchise QB and throwing them to the wolves, as they did with Luck. How many franchise QBs have been ruined by going to bad teams? Nearly all of them...
By the time you build the team around him, he is out of his rookie contract and the cap becomes a huge issue. Also, free agent builds seldom work. They're free agents because they are no longer cost effective

I recall this board giddy with Pagano and Griggs coming in...

Maniac 10-20-2017 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by testcase448 (Post 35163)
I disagree, it's stupid to invest in a franchise QB and throwing them to the wolves, as they did with Luck. How many franchise QBs have been ruined by going to bad teams? Nearly all of them...
By the time you build the team around him, he is out of his rookie contract and the cap becomes a huge issue. Also, free agent builds seldom work. They're free agents because they are no longer cost effective

I recall this board giddy with Pagano and Griggs coming in...
people are always optimistic when new people come on board, what does that have to do with anything? Clearly the results from them didn't come through for the team.

You don't plan on throwing a franchise QB to the wolves. To just assume that's what you're going to do is basically saying "I can't do my job, just fire me now." It's a failure way of looking at it. That's not how you approach building a team, ever.

omahacolt 10-20-2017 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JesusChrist (Post 35255)
people are always optimistic when new people come on board, what does that have to do with anything? Clearly the results from them didn't come through for the team.

You don't plan on throwing a franchise QB to the wolves. To just assume that's what you're going to do is basically saying "I can't do my job, just fire me now." It's a failure way of looking at it. That's not how you approach building a team, ever.
don't bother with him, jesus


he is too stupid to be saved.

testcase448 10-22-2017 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 35285)
don't bother with him, jesus


he is too stupid to be saved.

You calling people stupid is pretty funny .

Your intellectual arguments are like bring kid's safety scissors to a gun fight.

You're like a parrot repeating the imbeciles in ESPN.

testcase448 10-22-2017 03:08 PM
Nothing like watching a balanced team with no franchise QB beating the fuck out of a team that drafted one...

Maniac 10-22-2017 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by testcase448 (Post 35719)
Nothing like watching a balanced team with no franchise QB beating the fuck out of a team that drafted one...
The team that drafted one did it to them for over a decade...and to the titans...and to the texans, and most of the league.

Here's the thing about your argument. The Jags have a ton of talent, but no franchise QB. They won't win a superbowl without one and they would give up anything to get one so they could compete for a superbowl. They didn't build their team like this because they WANTED to. They are building this way because they can't find a franchise QB, and that is holding them back.

I guarantee you that if you asked any GM in the league if they would prefer to start off with a franchise QB like Luck to build a team around, EVERY ONE OF THEM would say "hell yes".

Get out of here with your dumb ass argument.

Coltsalr 10-24-2017 08:55 AM
@TonyD1070
I am told, by a source I trust, that Andrew Luck will not play this year. Which has obviously been mentioned many times.

albany ed 10-24-2017 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 36319)
@TonyD1070
I am told, by a source I trust, that Andrew Luck will not play this year. Which has obviously been mentioned many times.
I'm OK with that, since by the time he could be ready, the playoffs will be out of reach. But, somehow the team needs to know that Luck will be 100+% for next year. Ideally he needs to see some kind of action when healthy in order to determine if the Colts need to address a starting QB need in the draft. Clearly, Jacoby is a #2 and IMO, will never be a quality starting QB.

FatDT 10-24-2017 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 36321)
I'm OK with that, since by the time he could be ready, the playoffs will be out of reach. But, somehow the team needs to know that Luck will be 100+% for next year. Ideally he needs to see some kind of action when healthy in order to determine if the Colts need to address a starting QB need in the draft. Clearly, Jacoby is a #2 and IMO, will never be a quality starting QB.
I think Brisket could be more with better coaching. He's still a young player, and he's not developed enough to overcome the factors dragging him and this team down.

HoosierinFL 10-24-2017 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by JesusChrist (Post 35730)
The team that drafted one did it to them for over a decade...and to the titans...and to the texans, and most of the league.

Here's the thing about your argument. The Jags have a ton of talent, but no franchise QB. They won't win a superbowl without one and they would give up anything to get one so they could compete for a superbowl. They didn't build their team like this because they WANTED to. They are building this way because they can't find a franchise QB, and that is holding them back.

I guarantee you that if you asked any GM in the league if they would prefer to start off with a franchise QB like Luck to build a team around, EVERY ONE OF THEM would say "hell yes".

Get out of here with your dumb ass argument.
They drafted Bortles with a high pick because they thought he was gonna be one. They were wrong, but they absolutely have tried to get a franchise QB with a high draft pick.

Maniac 10-24-2017 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 36321)
I'm OK with that, since by the time he could be ready, the playoffs will be out of reach. But, somehow the team needs to know that Luck will be 100+% for next year. Ideally he needs to see some kind of action when healthy in order to determine if the Colts need to address a starting QB need in the draft. Clearly, Jacoby is a #2 and IMO, will never be a quality starting QB.
He's just experiencing soreness when throwing, that's natural and part of the recovery. I have read where labrum tear can take 6-9 months to recover. They are at the 9 month end of it now. He's going to have to work through the soreness and he'll be fine. Supposedly it wasn't a complete tear like Bree's was, so I don't think there is any reason to worry about having to find another starting QB and such.

What they need to worry about is finding someone to actually protect him when he's back next season. This offensive line is a mess.

Maniac 10-24-2017 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by HoosierinFL (Post 36332)
They drafted Bortles with a high pick because they thought he was gonna be one. They were wrong, but they absolutely have tried to get a franchise QB with a high draft pick.
Yep and they failed, so the way they are building the team right now isn't because they chose to do it this way. They WANT a franchise QB....badly... they just can't get one. That goes to show how valuable franchise QB's are and why you don't just let one go when you find one and expect you can just find another anytime you want. There are teams out there who haven't had one for decades, and their franchises are worse off for it.

albany ed 10-24-2017 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by JesusChrist (Post 36333)
He's just experiencing soreness when throwing, that's natural and part of the recovery. I have read where labrum tear can take 6-9 months to recover. They are at the 9 month end of it now. He's going to have to work through the soreness and he'll be fine. Supposedly it wasn't a complete tear like Bree's was, so I don't think there is any reason to worry about having to find another starting QB and such.

What they need to worry about is finding someone to actually protect him when he's back next season. This offensive line is a mess.
I'm sure you're right about Luck, I just would rather KNOW you're right.

testcase448 10-24-2017 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by JesusChrist (Post 35730)
The team that drafted one did it to them for over a decade...and to the titans...and to the texans, and most of the league.
Two Super Bowls, one win. Manning caried them there. He had parts of the puzzle in place. Luck isn't Manning, hell BRADY isn't Manning. Name a "franchise " QB that gets this team anywhere for the next several years. IF they survive the beating

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Originally Posted by JesusChrist (Post 35730)
Here's the thing about your argument. The Jags have a ton of talent, but no franchise QB. They won't win a superbowl without one and they would give up anything to get one so they could compete for a superbowl. They didn't build their team like this because they WANTED to. They are building this way because they can't find a franchise QB, and that is holding them back.
27 to 0, we won't be competetive with them for about 4-5 years now.Or Hoston, or Nashville..Or the Jets or ANYBODY but CLeveland maybe.
Luck is damaged goods. Maybe we get a shot at another franchise QB this year, and next.... and the year after. Drafting first does result in opportunity to draft fanchise QBs. Maybe that's the plan, draft one every few years!

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Originally Posted by JesusChrist (Post 35730)
I guarantee you that if you asked any GM in the league if they would prefer to start off with a franchise QB like Luck to build a team around, EVERY ONE OF THEM would say "hell yes".
KC builds a solid team, adds Alex Smith...
OAKLAND Derek Carr, 36th pick
Case Keenum Vikings5-2
Bills, Tyrod Taylor LMAO 6th round pick 4-2
Miami 4-2 with Cutler?
Dak Prescott 4th round.. he just beat the fuck outta a team on their field by 30 we BARELY managed to beat at home

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Originally Posted by JesusChrist (Post 35730)

Get out of here with your dumb ass argument.
My "dumbass arguement"seems pretty not dumbass compared to completely obvious statements like "every GM wants a franchise QB"
No kidding moron. Really?
But here's a gold plated fact, everyone of those teams I just listed are a shit load better than us and not a damn franchise QB in the lot that YOU"D trade Luck for.
Now ask all those drooling GMs if they'd trade TEAMS, give up their solid TEAMS for Luck. What would they give? Which team
The answer is no.

Racehorse 10-25-2017 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by testcase448 (Post 36456)
Two Super Bowls, one win. Manning caried them there. He had parts of the puzzle in place. Luck isn't Manning, hell BRADY isn't Manning. Name a "franchise " QB that gets this team anywhere for the next several years. IF they survive the beating



27 to 0, we won't be competetive with them for about 4-5 years now.Or Hoston, or Nashville..Or the Jets or ANYBODY but CLeveland maybe.
Luck is damaged goods. Maybe we get a shot at another franchise QB this year, and next.... and the year after. Drafting first does result in opportunity to draft fanchise QBs. Maybe that's the plan, draft one every few years!



KC builds a solid team, adds Alex Smith...
OAKLAND Derek Carr, 36th pick
Case Keenum Vikings5-2
Bills, Tyrod Taylor LMAO 6th round pick 4-2
Miami 4-2 with Cutler?
Dak Prescott 4th round.. he just beat the fuck outta a team on their field by 30 we BARELY managed to beat at home



My "dumbass arguement"seems pretty not dumbass compared to completely obvious statements like "every GM wants a franchise QB"
No kidding moron. Really?
But here's a gold plated fact, everyone of those teams I just listed are a shit load better than us and not a damn franchise QB in the lot that YOU"D trade Luck for.
Now ask all those drooling GMs if they'd trade TEAMS, give up their solid TEAMS for Luck. What would they give? Which team
The answer is no.
Serious question: What do you consider the definitionof a franchise QB to be, because it seems that you really don't know what it is, based on this post.

Also, if you replace the Moron in charge, this team will look immensely better.

Maniac 10-25-2017 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by testcase448 (Post 36456)
My "dumbass arguement"seems pretty not dumbass
No, it's even more of a dumbass argument after all that stupid crap you posted. You just look worse with each post.

DrSpaceman 10-25-2017 11:48 AM
I am fine with Luck out for the year. I'd prefer it.

I have changed my mind on that the last few weeks. If we had won one of the games vs Jags/Tenn it would be different. We'd be 3-4, still in division race, still something to play for.

As it is, this season is over, plan for next season.

Coltsalr 10-29-2017 10:15 PM
@mortreport
Andrew Luck seeking other opinions because shoulder is "not progressing as expected," source confirms earlier report by @JayGlazer

Indiana V2 10-29-2017 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 37624)
@mortreport
Andrew Luck seeking other opinions because shoulder is "not progressing as expected," source confirms earlier report by @JayGlazer
Well, they broke him after all.

Indiana V2 10-29-2017 11:06 PM
Mort says Luck is seeking other opinions because he's frustrated. Wonder if he's frustrated with how it's healing or frustrated with the Colts organization with how they're handling his rehab.

https://mobile.twitter.com/mortrepor...27014879694848

Dewey 5 10-29-2017 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Indiana V2 (Post 37636)
Mort says Luck is seeking other opinions because he's frustrated. Wonder if he's frustrated with how it's healing or frustrated with the Colts organization with how they're handling his rehab.

https://mobile.twitter.com/mortrepor...27014879694848
Probably both.

Gimmick 10-29-2017 11:39 PM
Sad to say but if you're a good player, it would be in your best interests to stay as far away from the Colts roster as you possibly can. Until ownership changes, this organization is bottom feeder of the NFL.

Coltsalr 10-29-2017 11:44 PM
Mort saying it’s not believed to be serious is encouraging, however. I tend to trust Mort nowadays, I doubt too many sources are looking to burn him nowadays, lest they risk going to hell.

I’m happy with shutting Luck down in a lost season, as well. Cowherd has hinted at there being a possible arrangement between Luck/Luck’s Dad and Ballard for Luck to sit out the season and get back next year when everyone is more ready. Not saying it’s fact, but Cowherd did float it out there at the beginning of the season, after he’d had a long talk with Ballard and this has admittedly been playing out in much the same way if you had scripted such a thing happening.

GoBigBlue88 10-30-2017 06:53 AM
Count me in the camp that believes he'll definitely play again and the Colts are right to be super cautious. I just hope he isn't 30 by the time he plays again...

testcase448 10-30-2017 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88 (Post 37655)
Count me in the camp that believes he'll definitely play again and the Colts are right to be super cautious. I just hope he isn't 30 by the time he plays again...
He'll be 35-40 by the time they build a competitive team around him, IF he isn't already finished

1965southpaw 10-30-2017 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88 (Post 37655)
Count me in the camp that believes he'll definitely play again and the Colts are right to be super cautious. I just hope he isn't 30 by the time he plays again...
Stephen Holder on this question this morning on Grady and Big Joe......."I can't reveal my sources but trust me when i say that the Colts brass are not entertaining the scenario that Andrew's career is over...even as a worst case scenario....stop listening to your FAcebook friends that say andrew is finished.....they (colts) remain confident that he will come back from this injury but they are concerned it's taking longer than expected and in an abundance of caution are pursuing every option available. This is about andrew, his health, and the long term interests of the colts. Him playing this year or never playing again are not in the equation".....this isn't a literal quote but pretty darn close to exactly what he said.

As I said before, DQ can shut the fuck up....this kind of speculation is no bueno.

rcubed 10-30-2017 11:45 AM
Luck is not playing this season.

testcase448 10-31-2017 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 37691)
Luck is not playing this season.
At this point, "what difference does it make?"

Racehorse 10-31-2017 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by testcase448 (Post 37872)
At this point, "what difference does it make?"
Well, if Luck sits, when the draft rolls around, we will be the only team that will know if we are drafting a QB or not. That could help us get more from a trade. Maybe.


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