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I'm OK with the turnout of this entire situation, either way ......


A) ) If Taylor stays with the Colts in 2023 and beyond, we'll be retaining the services of an outstanding running back.


B) ) If Taylor leaves the Colts, even great running backs are replaceable, particularly if you you have several other strong areas on the team.


You just never know how these kinds of things will turn out ...... remember that when we traded Nyheim Hines for Zack Moss, Hines was coming off a 2021 season in which he averaged 4.9 yards-per carry. He certainly looked like a star on the rise. In return, we got the seemingly-average Zack Moss. Moss was generally untested at the time of the trade, and therefore he was an unknown in regard to what to expect of him. Moss wound up having numerous excellent games for the Colts after the trade last year, and Hines wound up damaging his knee last month in a watercraft accident which will cause him to miss the entire 2023 season ...... like I said, you just never know how things will turn out in these types of situations with running backs, and therefore I am content with allowing things to play out and letting the chips fall where they may.


A more historic example of things working out well for the Colts in regard to a departed star running back was when Lydell Mitchell was traded to the Chargers for Joe Washington prior to the 1978 season ...... Washington essentially filled Mitchell's shoes at the position, making the Pro Bowl in his second season with the team in 1979. The loss of Bert Jones to shoulder injuries wound up being much more detrimental to the team than did the loss of Mitchell.

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Other teams can have at it. I don't want us to be a team mentioned as a cautionary tale like CLE-Watson, NYJ-Bell, DAL-Elliott... just take the free education.

At some point, though, it'll be nice when all teams stop volunteering to be the next guinea pig. Maybe players wouldn't stick their heads quite so far up their own ass if they stopped seeing teams do dumb shit.

Maybe a bit of both.

It would be good for both parties make a deal. Unfortunately that would mean calmer heads would prevail, and that opportunity has been missed.

To me this really has very little to do with the Colts. It is about the bigger issue of how running backs money isn't keeping up with other offensive players. The problem is that rule changes have made running backs complimentary pieces, they don't deserve (if your goal is winning) the same money as the other pieces do-rules changes have made that inevitable. Running backs don't like this and so we have this labor dispute. To me these running backs need to accept reality. This group may never but the next will grow up knowing and need to accept reality. It sucks for all sides but especially for us fans.

While agree wholeheartedly, it still suck for RB's that it has come to this. They have the shortest shelf life of any position within the NFL, yet take the most punishment. This is in the end a NFLPA problem.

That is so on point. The game has been (and continues to be) artificially transformed in the direction of overwhelming passing games. I half-joke that they're eventually going to become 7-on-7. I think it's a combination of things...

One is the overcompensation (in my opinion as a fan) of the league as a reaction to the lawsuits and bad PR they got when CTE became mainstream. Now we get weekly BS roughing calls on QB's and receivers.

The other is the appeal of these Air-Raid style college offenses that started popping up around the turn of the century. Lots of excitement. So now officials enforce illegal contact like they're Pai Mei.

And now we shit on RB's.

Its about the rules and TV. Fans want offense and scoring. Can you imagine what AirCoryell would look like now with todays officiating?

If running backs need to be more like Marshall Faulk. Part time rusher, not ask to block an on coming blitzer. Get them in space, watch them go.

O linemen have changed over time. Passing means pass blocking, big men who are not dancing bears, but big men light on their feet, can move with line mates to keep the Qb clean.

Fans want scoring, lots of scoring and ground pounding is too boring. No one wants Jim Brown, they want Lamar Jackson.

When QB’s start falling and failing from the beating they take, the league will return to the running game.

Some reality is needed here. Yes they have not increased in value along with other weapons but give me a break, this guy is 24 years old and going to make in one year more than 95+% of men and women make in a lifetime. This is not some traumatic situation where people are not able to feed or clothe their children. If he stayed here, played three years and was tagged he still makes 30 million over the next few years. I don’t feel the least bit sorry for NFL running backs.

the money isn't that relevant.

he is arguing his value is to the organization is more than what the colts think it is. he is absolutely fine to believe that and to argue that. sure he will be fine either way but that is irrelevant.

I agree with you, he has every right to try to get more money. My point is, either way, he is rich compared to most of us. Financially, I don't feel sorry for what he has-I understand that he, like everyone, wants more. Don't fault him at all, just don't feel bad for his situation from a money point of view.

The position will evolve. Either they become dual threat players. Or they will likely be eliminated in favor of multiple receiver looks and the QB becoming the running threat.

The Colts have given JT till Tuesday to find a trade partner. The deadline for declaring the pup roster is coming. If he is still injured he will go on pup and miss the first four weeks.


6 teams have called enquiring. 2 teams have offered trades.

https://x.com/barstoolindy/status/16...L8ardaxv32vrGQ

I have a feeling he will get the trade, but I also think he has made a huge mistake!

The Dolphins, Bills and Bears are what seem to be getting kicked around a lot with a little bit of Philly being tossed in. He would make a great component for all 3 / 4 of those offenses. Hopefully there is truth that all of them have been nibbling allowing us to push the return higher from the ultimate suitor. If someone were to give up a 1st (Phins and Bills are both clearly in a need to win it all this year mode- ala Rams model), then fuck it take it.

There's a lot of prognosticators saying we are a bottom 5-8 team this year even with him. Go 100% youth, grow through the valleys and emerge as an extremely young powerhouse with a nice 5-7 year window to do big shit.

I'm pretty sure the cutdown to 53 has to be done by Tuesday.

Hope they get at least a 2nd for him.

And I’ll be very interested in seeing what his new team does contract wise.

I suspect it’s no longer about the contract for JT. IE, it’s personal at this point.

I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see him go somewhere else and play out his contract. Then hit free agency next season.

I found this

https://x.com/jasonthomasxl/status/1...L8ardaxv32vrGQ

I would say a second is minimum. I bet they are getting low ball offers right now.

Ha, I just listened to that a few minutes ago on the way home. I understand the concept he's talking about, but I still wonder...

Does that only work for a total holdout? Like if JT suited up for one single practice, could he "pull a hammy" or "tweak his back" in the first two minutes and now he's playing chess, too? Because now it can't be NFI, right?

According to him I guess so. That would be pretty bad. Not sure how that might affect his rep or if ppl care about that.

IF we trade him I will be pissed if it is for anything less than a one. A two and a decent player maybe. The Colts have ALL of the power here. Who gives a shit if he is unhappy, I am not giving him away if I am the Colts. What is JT's play if the Colts say 'nope, we want a first'? He has none, he is under contract. The Colts get what they want or the guy plays for us. Much rather have a one at this point.

Interesting discussion just now on ESPN radio about how both sides have done incredible damage to one another and how there may be no way for this to go other than him having to suit up for the Colts and attempt to have a record breaking season in an attempt to illustrate to a future suitor that he can continue to be an All Pro WR in the NFL for them.

There's a lot of logic to this discussion.

Taylor's bad move: Taylor is hurt and so much so he remains on PUP (talking heads inferred [they can't in good faith just say it is BS] that's just his BS way of not taking any risk while he tries to get a new deal). That puts any potential team interested in a bad position because even if you think it is ALL BS, the minute you give up significant assets to get him only to find out he isn't capable of returning to form, as a GM, you're gonna get fired.

Colts bad move: Irsay playing his cards publicly in stating the he just isn't that valuable to the organization. So how can you now expect to demand this high draft pick for a player you've already said to the other 31 teams, isn't really that good?

Talking head's speculation- the offers are a 3rd and 4th where as Colts are probably saying they want a 1st looking to get a 2nd and no one is gonna give it. He suits up for Colts in a prove it situation.

They of course then went on to comment about how many times history has shown us- don't so anything in camp, try to just come out cold and end up pulling a hammy or a groin and having an awful season in return.

Crazy but dude could easily be in a position a year from now where he could be a FA and the market is vet min.

Insane shit really...

The other precedent to think about is; if a rookie plays well and outperforming his contract per se. Can he then go on to force a trade to another team in order to make more money? Even while in the middle of that contract.

I would assume any team interested would have their doctors looking at him and getting JT's perspective on any injury and would likely write a contract heavy on performance incentives, in other words if you are hurt and not contributing to our success you ain't getting paid the big bucks you are wanting! If that is the case, he will get his trade, there are always teams willing to overpay for talent, Colts have done it themselves a number of times!

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I remember when Emmitt Smith held out in 1993, and missed the first 2 games of that season ......

The Cowboys started that 1993 season at 0-2 without Smith ......

Smith eventually came back in Week 3, won the NFL MVP in spite of missing those first 2 games, and the and the Cowboys went on to win the Super Bowl.



Cowboys Pay Big for Smith: After Two Losses, Dallas Finally Gives Running Back What He Wanted: ‘Thurman Thomas Money’

(By Danny Robbins)

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...152-story.html

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I'm not necessarily predicting that the Colts will win the Super Bowl this year if they retain the services of Johnathan Taylor ...... I'm simply pointing out that there have been numerous times in the past in which teams have overcome what many thought to be impending doom during a contract dispute with a superstar running back.

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Just putting it out there:
Miami; 2nd, 4th and 5th 2024

It certainly feels like he 100 percent will be traded. Things have clearly gotten unsustainable between the two sides.

If you believe the talking heads. You are probably correct, and if we get a one or equivalent I would hope you are, but when money is the issue you can never be sure until the ink dries

So at this point I'm assuming that Steichen doesn't want/need him. Maybe he prefers RB by committee and would rather put the Taylor money into one or two other players? It's the only thing that makes sense unless Taylor just did a complete heel turn like when Andre the Giant joined the Heenan family back in the day. Wouldn't that make Leonard a heel too, since they have the same manager? Hmm.

If Tuesday comes and there's still no deal, waive him. Just get him out of here.

I gotta imagine Steichen has BEEN over it. He’s been having to answer the same damn questions for a month and he hasn’t seen this guy practice once while he’s been trying to establish a culture.

If Indy is going to trade him, it better be painful for the other team. I would opt to be the fucking villain and watch this dude sulk on the bench rather than have more national media trying to shit on us if Taylor ends up producing well somewhere else.

Bobby "the Brain" Heenan.......classic!:D

Put him on the "NFI" list for the year, with no pay, shoving this year's contract to next year. Then if he wants to honor his contract let him play before tagging him a year later. Play hard ball with him. :cool:

They're in position to lock him up for years and I don't see why they wouldn't opt for that... anything less than a stupid trade package would upset me and is probably impossible anyway. Use the pressure of "play for us or don't play."

Three more seasons before keeping him (unsigned) is stupid financially.

Why? How does this make the team better? You want to be in the headlines for years as his case runs through the courts (he would sue, as would you or me)? This can work out to where we either get assets or JT himself. Patience and don’t do anything that doesn’t make this team better on the field.

So his agent is a friend of the Miami coach. He’s also a big “all things miami” guy. And now JT says he only wants to go to Miami and doesn’t want to go to the Bears. Also says he will take less money to go to Miami. Whole things stinks as being planned from the beginning.

If it is pre-arranged, GREAT- fucking stand on that 1st or tell him and Miami he's getting NFI and his career is FUCKED! Get the pick we want in return, fucking go to Miami. Send him on the next plane and let him be Victor v2.0.

Victor fucked himself too out of like 100 million I saw when it was all said and done between the contract he could of had and the self sabotage he committed.

NFI sounds great and all, but I doubt it is just as simple as that, considering he had been dealing with a legit ankle injury.

I think by not going NFI, the Colts are avoiding making the situation even worse. I think they actually want Taylor back, but want him healthy first.