Why? What has Darnold done in the NFL to think he even has a chance to be good?


Since the Colts probably cannot trade up to get Wilson on Fields. What would you have them do? Say fuck it. Let it roll and if it doesnt work we get a high draft pick?

Ask Polian how that worked with Irsay!!!

Wentz is now the best AVAILABLE option for the Colts. Unless there is some behind the scenes things that CB is working

Just a hunch, but Wentz seems more emotionally broken than Darnold.

A player that has accuracy problems and is reported to uncoachable is the “best available”?

There are other options.

The discussion on this thread shows how much the NFL is a "What have you done for me lately?" league, especially among the fans. If you'd asked at this time last year what it would take to get Wentz, the discussion would've been something like the discussion around Watson now. He was arguably a Top 10 QB over the last 3 seasons at that point, with a 2017 in which he only didn't win NFL MVP because he missed the last 3 games. Right now, because that same player had one bad stretch of games, followed by a few media hit pieces, he's available for Day 2 picks instead of Day 1 picks. I doubt he lost all his talent overnight. It's much more likely that the changes caused by COVID affected him more than most players, especially because it was harder to do detail work during COVID, and Wentz has required a lot of fine tuning on mechanics over the years. His mechanics are the biggest year over year change outside of his performance, so in theory, fix the mechanics (and pound "no hero ball" into his head from Day 1), fix the performance. Getting a Top 10-15 QB for a package headlined by the 54th overall pick would be a coup, yet to read this board, you'd think the Eagles would be committing grand larceny just getting that pick, let alone anything else. To me, if Ballard makes the trade, it will likely be a win, because it means Ballard and Reich believe the issues are primarily mechanical and they think Reich can fix it, and they've earned the benefit of the doubt on that until proven otherwise.

Exactly. We luckily avoided that previously with Polian not taking Ryan Leaf. Let's not make that mistake now.

That all sounds good on a message board. Reports are that he doesnt take well to hard coaching. The NFL is not a spiritual retreat where you can “find yourself”. This is the kind of trade that will more than likely get a GM fired.

I dont care about the cap hit, its all funny money. I think a roster spot and coaching time is more valuable at this point. This team is based on hard work and accountability, how does Wentz fit into that system? The most important position on the team and there are issues with his attitude?

The eagles need a qb and they want to dump this guy. Its beyond fixing his mechanics. They spent all last year trying to do that

You've made your point. You and I obviously disagree. No need to belabor it. I will say I trust Ballard and Reich and their evaluation skills a lot more than yours, and I don't understand why the Philadelphia local media is trying to tank any potential return by writing all these hit pieces on Wentz.

I trust Ballard, he has a record. I dont trust your thinking, because its not grounded in reality. If all Wentz needs is coaching, why are they trying to get rid of him? They just brought back his former coach, so why are the desperate to cut him loose?

Uncoachable????

Do you stop and think that maybe he wasn't being coached correctly after Reich left? Because all the things you are mentioning I am 100% sure Frank knows more about than any of us.

Ballard openly makes fun of the message boards and twitter because of all the stupid remarks that are made by people who think they know something or know more than the coaches.

If Ballard and Reich feel strongly about Wentz, that is all that really matters. All other reports are nonsense.

Trust the people that will ultimately make this decision.

Of course the NFL is a what have you done for me lately league and saying that Wentz is comparable to Watson is ricockulous. Also, saying he just had a bad stretch of games is a huge understatement as he was god awful for the entire 2020 season until he was benched in Dec. You add his dropping off a cliff performance with a lot of reports coming out showing that he's a possible head case, and bringing him in clearly has potential for disaster.

Something else that shouldn't be overlooked is that the Eagles have really struggled with Wentz at QB since his injury. In 2018 they had a losing record with him and were much better with Foles starting (you can also argue that they were just as good with Foles in 2017). While in 2019 they did win 9 games and made the playoffs, they in all likelihood would have had a losing record if they were in any division other than the NFC Least. And obviously they were one of the worst teams in the league in 2020.

Wentz has never worked with 1) Head Coach Nick Sirianni, 2) Offensive Coordinator Shane Steichen, or 3) QB Coach Brian Johnson before.

Rumor that Aaron Rodgers may ask for trade in GB.

Rumor that Russell Wilson may ask for trade in SEA.

Rumor that Derek Carr may ask for trade OR BE CUT in LV.

I would take any of those three veterans over Wentz.


My point being is that there is zero reason to jump early at a trade. The full scope of the 2021 QB market is not yet known. We put our hat into the ring on Stafford and were outbid. No issues.

If we are outbid by CHI on Wentz, no issues.

I have faith in Ballard that we will end up with someone at QB that Reich wants and can work with to play high quality ball.

@zkeefer
I don't know what the Bears will do, but if Wentz prefers Indy — which it sure seems like he does — that gives the Colts added leverage. If the Eagles are waiting for a monster offer, like the two 1s they asked for at the start, that won't come from the Colts.

@LesBowen
Spoke with NFL management source (not from Eagles) about the Wentz melodrama. His viewpoint: If Wentz doesn’t want the Bears, Bears aren’t gonna trade for him. Eventually the Eagles take whatever Indy is offering, maybe a second plus something. Also, Eagles draft a QB 6th overall

@zkeefer
While it's been quiet, Eagles and Colts have continued trade talks for Carson Wentz. One important aspect of this, I'm told, is Indy hasn't significantly changed its offer from where it started more than a week ago. For the most part, Colts aren't budging

I havent been on the wentz bandwagon, but if we do end up going that route, hopefully it wont cost us too much. Ballard seems to be playing this perfectly so far and not jumping off his price

Problem with those players Rogers and Wilson will cost multiple 1st round picks

If Carr were to get cut then that would be a great option by not having to give up draft capital

Getting Wentz for a second is a very good deal for the Colts IMO

Rogers or Wilson would be well worth multiple 1st round picks. They would immediately put us in superbowl contention.

My apologies. I stand corrected. I thought Riech brought Sirianni with him from philly

The more time goes on. The more pressure builds on the Eagles. Colts have leverage here. Because the Colts can walk away. Still multiple options for the Colts. Just each one has different levels of risk.

AR & Wison are using the trade me card to get paid like Mahomes.

Yeah i have a hard time seeing either of those going anywhere.


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I agree if it's only one 2nd and not two 2nds. Especially since it's an odd year, so Ballard's due for 2nd round busts this year, lol.

You call media hit pieces "reality"? That's the narrative you seem to want to believe, so you're clinging to any evidence of it. Reality is often much different than what is written in hit pieces or fluff pieces, and if Ballard and Reich are still pursuing it (which all reports indicate they are), it's because they think Reich can fix him. Also, the hit pieces vary from "he can't take tough coaching" to "Press Taylor was too soft on him", which is why I tend to take them with a grain of salt and believe in the proven talent evaluators of the Colts.

I said it would've been similar, maybe 2 first round picks and another later pick, a Day 2 pick or some such thing. That's less than Watson, but certainly much more than anything being discussed by anyone who isn't Howie Roseman. Also, the extent to which you can measure the value of a QB by the success of their team is limited IMO. Peyton Manning in a 4 year stretch was the starting QB of a 3-13 team and a 6-10 team, but I've heard he was a pretty great QB.

I don’t know if I like a 2nd for him honestly. Kinda hope Howie gets all prideful and refuses to trade him to us.

I feel that whatever we give for him, if we get him, will be reasonable. Ballard has already decided what he is worth to the Colts and won’t pay more. I really love the way he runs this team. Not saying he will hit gold with this search, just don’t think we will sacrifice the franchise future the way some do.

My order of preference

1. Sam Darnold
2. Carson Wentz
3. Trade up for Zach Wilson

Options 1 and 2 only if the #1 pick is not part of the trade. We need a new LT

@AdamSchefter
Philadelphia has agreed to trade Carson Wentz to the Indianapolis Colts in exchange for a 2021 third-round pick and a conditional 2022 second-round pick that could turn into a first, league sources tell @mortreport and me.

wonder what the conditions are?

Per
@MikeGarafolo
:

The conditional 2nd rounder in 2022 becomes a 1st rounder if Wentz plays 75 percent of the snaps or 70 percent and the team makes the playoffs.

dont like that.

I can live with though bc it means we are doing well and the trade worked out.

but wentz hitting 75% doesnt necessarily mean we have done well overall. just means he has done enough to not be benched (or hurt). we could still end up 8-8 and lose our first rounder next year.

its ballards protection against injury. unless he is absolute trash I see him hitting the 75% mark.

I like it

If the team hasnt made positive progress by the mid point, its Eason time.