I'm hoping that that takes him off teams 1-14 boards and not ours.

Let's see if Ballard is willing to take a risk on this stuff. As others have mentioned, he's been in the front office when the Chiefs have taken bad boys.

There was also this tweet today:

Stephen Holder‏ @HolderStephen 2h2 hours ago
Going back thru Ballard's presser from yesterday. I'm struck by him saying that no players are off the Colts' board yet. “No, at this point"

I'm assuming he was aware of Foster's urine sample 2 hours ago (probably closer to 2 months ago).

So according to Foster, the diluted urine was the result of him dealing with a stomach bug and trying to flush his system by drinking a lot of water and gatorade.
OK, so that *might* be true, in which case, he falls to 15 and we get a great ILB.
or, it *might* be an elaborate lie, in which case who knows how it will turn out. He might still end up a great player anyway.

Goddamit.

Welp....

No fuckin way fournette falls to us

I'd find something else to argue with you about

From press conference

Kevin Bowen‏ @KBowenColts

Ballard making it clear that “best player available” is the philosophy. Has been part of teams that took need over BPA before. Was a mistake
12:05 PM · Apr 19, 2017

Draft Lamp and then we are not fucking around with a first round bust. Shit, this is not rocket science.

Pure hypothetical here, which do you choose at 1.15?

1) 22 year old Robert Mathis
2) 22 year old Jeff Saturday

We know that there is a guy that plays like Jeff Saturday right now.

You're just hoping that there is a guy that will play like Robert Mathis at 1.15. Im sorry, there is no one that looks remotely close to mathis at 15.

What if Ballard thinks there is? It's a simple floor/ceiling argument. Frankly, a Saturday stabilizes the OL, but doesn't really move the needle on proximity to a title. After all those years with PM, I don't care about AFC South banners. Swing for the fences and assemble a champion.

Mathis, but I am not sure you get a Mathis at 15 in this years draft. Therefore I am of the opinion that you protect Luck with the safest pick in the draft with Lamp.

I'll give you that its virtually impossible to know if guys like Harris, Taco Charlton, Carl Lawson, Tim Williams or Takk could develop into solid pass rushers.

The point that im trying to make is that all those guys are late 1st to 2nd round picks. We're talking about a huge reach to grab one of those guys.

Again, we don't know where Ballard and his team has those guys....true. But there seems to be a consensus that after Solomon Thomas and Garrett the pass-rushing talent falls off a f**king cliff where Derek Barnett is somewhere in-between the cream of the crop and the 2nd tier.

The only defensive non-cornerback I would be ok drafting at 1.15 is Riddick and Foster. Foster is very concerning now because we all know the league hands out drug related suspensions like candy.

I've narrowed it down to...

1. Riddick
2. Foster
3. Ryan Ramczyk/Lamp
4. Marlon Humphrey
5. Conley

Do you really think Ram/Lamp are better than late 1st/early 2nd grades on those EDGE guys? I don't.

BTW, I definitely take one of Foster, Riddick, Harris, or Takk before I take one of those OL. Absolutely should trade down unless Ballard is comfortable with Foster's interviews, though.

Lamp?

AbsoFuckinglutely. Are you kidding me? You might be getting caught up in the dynamic play ability of edge rushers vs. olinemen.

This is a 4 year starter at WKU where most of starts were almost exclusively at LT. Again, you put on the LSU tape and the Alabama tape, no question.

He'll most likely play guard in the NFL, but he has LT tackle experience playing against some elite programs and performing well.

You literally can plug him in at any spot along the oline, and he's an after-thought.... in a good way. Plug him and forget him.

You replace his school name from WKU to Stanferdz, he'd be a legit top 10 pick.

Imagine we pick up Lamp in the 1st and T.J. Watt in the 2nd?

Congratz, we just won the draft.

There are just more moves you can make in the 2nd than you can in the 1st.

Stanzo-Mewtwo-Kelly-Lamp-Clark

That's a pretty decent oline on paper.

Most of your liability concerns would be with Clark and whether he makes the jump from his rookie season.

You can interchange the name Clark with Haeg...which ever you prefer.

I wouldn't be so quick. Teams really love him and some see him as a Ray Lewis type. I was thinking he would go top 5. Now I don't see him getting out of the the 1st. Diluted sample means he just drank a lot of water, which a lot of players do before the combine to gain a little extra weight.

Pass rusher, always pass rusher.

You have to think about the impact on the game the player will have and the best athletes go in the first.

I guess I am just sick & tired of watching Luck get the shit knocked out of him. Our franchise QB is in a sling right now, don't you think protecting him is our most pressing need right now?

There is a lot of pass rushing talent but there are also some minefields in there. I take Foster first over Reddick. Reddick will be transitioning to a new position who knows how that will go. If it goes well, expect him to be a Swiss Army knife on defense in a few years. By that time Foster will likely be a pro bowler.

Next I go Harris, he would have had better numbers if not for a scheme change. But guys that I really like and are late risers are Rivers of Youngstown, I feel this guy is what Tim Williams should be. And Bowser of Houston, there is a small sample size b/c they kept dropping him to cover but he looks like he has tons of potential. Imagine a larger Reddick and that is Bowser. Maybe one of them is available in the 2nd.

Stay away from Barnett. Takk only if you go in knowing he needs technique work, but the athletism is there. Well besides Garrett, they will all need some technique work.

Barnett has to be a no no.

Fournette scored an 11 on the Wonderlick Test FWIW

Florida State RB Dalvin Cook also scored an 11, and Oklahoma’s Joe Mixon scored a 12. Stanford RB Christian McCaffrey recorded a 21, while Tennessee RB Alvin Kamara scored a 24.

Not that any of this matters, but for the sake of discussion, average RB score is around 16.

Andrew Luck - 37
Peyton Manning - 28
Ezekiel Elliot - 32
Frank Gore - 6
Reggie Wayne - 13

Interesting Article on Reddick by Bleacher Report

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...fl-draft-class

As a Florida guy, do you have any take on Jarrad Davis? He also strikes me as a guy that would be a safe 1st round pick, albeit that he might be a bit of a reach at #15 (though perhaps maybe not, as there's some recent rumblings that he could go ahead of Reuben Foster in the top 15).

Agreed, though I think there was a fair bit less shit-kicking by the end of last season. That group seemed to gel a bit, and while it would be nice if the Colts decided they needed to have the Great Wall of China for an OL (ala the Dallas Cowboys), I do wonder if that's our shrewdest investment, as I don't think the need is as dire there.

Like I said, I won't bitch if they go with Forrest Lamp. I would however worry about our other needs, moreso than I would worry if OL isn't addressed until Day 3.

Whats that?

That's the thing, he has the athleticism to play the position although he is a little undersized for my taste. The question is how he can adjust to the responsibilities of the MIKE. There will be an adjustment period, he won't rush out of the gate right away, they will ease him in slowly. What that article doesn't mention is what a LB actually does. Can he make all the reads at the pro level, how fast can he do it? Also the MIKE is often the leader of the D and sets the tone, gets people in the right place, etc. This is why I like Foster better, he has done it, he knows the position, has lead one of the best defenses ever, is extremely instinctive often blowing up plays before they can even get going. He will have a much greater head start on Reddick. Reddick in a few years may be more versatile and scary, but for right now he has to learn a new position. I think he would excel in a system like Seattle.

Reddick might be the pick, and it's possible that Bostic is to be a stop gap till Reddick gets going.

hahaha yeah I don't see that as very important in skill positions except QB.

I still think Reddick ends up at EDGE most of the time. He's too good of a pass rusher to waste inside.

Ok, we have all talked about our desire to trade down and pick up additional picks. Which I'm all for BTW!

But how many would be in favor of trading up to get the once in a lifetime talent of Myles Garrett?

What would it take to do so? At least this years 1st and next years 1st at a minimum, I would expect. But how much more?

How many would be in favor of such a move?

Check the value chart

http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

It would take most of our draft this year and our 1st and 2nd next year likely. That is pretty steep. There is a lot of defensive talent in this draft. If we could figure out somehow to get another 2nd and 3rd this draft or even two more 3rds, we could completely rebuild the D in one draft.

The way I kind of picture him is inside for two downs and outside for passing downs. But he would give you the option of blitzing him from virtually anywhere. But him out there with a dedicated EDGE and then you really start causing problems. Will he cover the TE or RB and do it very well? Or is he coming on a blitz? But as a dedicated EDGE, I don't know. He has great bend, but he will have problems with long armed tackles, he is just so short for that position. I would rather combine him with a Harris, Rivers, Watt, or Bowser. That could be a deadly combo.

Also, Foster is an excellent blitzer from between the tackles.

I do think Reddick is smart and has great character and that will play a role. Ballard is reading about the Cubs build by Epstein and this quote seemed to have an impact on Ballard.

"Theo -- baseball was getting flat in terms of the analytics and the edge that they were getting from the numbers -- so he kind of took a different approach with character," Ballard said, via ESPN's Mike Wells. "We want high-character guys that love football, that will hold each other accountable, that will be good teammates. It stuck out like a beacon light.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...n-cubs-example

@ShouldntBragBut 6m6 minutes ago
Colts continue to show DB Obi Melifonwu, UConn steady levels of interest

Do they figure he will be involved in a murder?

One can only hope!

Trade from 1-15 to 1-19 and then from 1-19 to about 1-24 or 1-25 nets you 2 3rd round choices with trading nothing away.

Cheers,

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I'll take the Ray Lewis type as in murdering the opponent on the field, off the field perhaps not as much lol

0%. It would cost way too much and there are so many needs across the roster.