Sherck you are better than calling people critical of Ballard.'s moves "haters". Give me a break. I don't even dislike Ballard. I think he's made mistakes. And he's owned some of them. I think he's taking longer than he needs to. What I dislike are the fiercely loyal happy horse-shitters that love everything he does and refuse to even consider that a rookie GM might be making bad decisions. The ball swingers. What has Ballard done to deserve unflinching loyalty? Where is the loyalty to the players?

I dont see where Elway applies at all. I can’t remember any bottoming out and subsequent forced youth movement from the Broncos. A review of NFL rosters doesn’t show one either.

Simms kinda comes close, but doesn’t really fit either. In the ‘84 season (his 5th), Simms was far from being a franchise QB. Parcells had even named Brunner over him as his starter at one point as Simms had both injury and consistency concerns. I believe he had even asked to be traded at one point. However, in the ‘84 season the Giants did start an inordinate amount of young players along with Simms starting 16 games for the first time in his career. That did eventually end in a Super Bowl in ‘87. Of course this was also a very different NFL, prior to unrestricted free agency. And Simms wasn’t considered a franchise QB entering his prime when New York made the decisions they did. I suppose some hope for the 4 yr rebuild though.

Exactly. We are free to criticize him at times when we want. I'll give him credit when the situation calls for it as well, like with Leonard. It doesn't mean anyone hates Ballard. I don't. However, he needs to stop taking project players early in the draft when there are guys available that are starter quality and can contribute right away. This team needs guys who can play. It's not helpful to keep drafting guys who may devleop two, three, or even four years down the road. You can do that when you're a talented team and that guy is just a depth player. We aren't that. Will those guys develop? Well I hope so, but I hope we don't have to wait a long time to find out. This in turn causes them to cut players who are better now in the hopes of hanging onto a guy that we hope develops.

fuck. is it football yet?

So he can't call people attacking Ballard "haters", but it's entirely fair for you to characterize those who defend against those attacks as "fiercely loyal happy horse-shitters that love everything he does and refuse to even consider that a rookie GM might be making bad decisions"?

People devolve into savagery without meaningful football. The regular season keeps us sane.

My thought was Roethlisberger, but since he won early it probably doesn't count. They had a few down years in 2012 and 2013 going 8-8 in both seasons and definitely had some turnover on their roster.

Add in Seattle and New Orleans a few yrs ago

According to these stats for the last 4 yrs we had one of the oldest rosters in the league

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.phi...7-edition/amp/

I don’t know omaha. I think he’s into something with you. You’ve disagreed with about everything Ballard has done. So there fore you think your way would be smarter.

In response. I don’t think there are many. BALL SWINGERS here. There are quite a few that actually realize that Ballard had to rid the team of the Grigshit and Pagshit and the players they brought in. And are also maybe waiting to see how his vision plays out before whining that his decisions are bad

The team was old and not good A change had to be made ....many changes

I think most of you will be shocked at what this team is going to look like compared to what we have seen in preseason. I may be wrong but I’m giving him the Benifit of the doubt saving judgement for a hindsight’s version in the future