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VeveJones007 04-19-2017 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by nate505 (Post 9962)
The aforementioned scuttlebutt around here is that Denver wants him (being a local kid and all) and would trade up to 14 or 15 to get him.

Not that I believe any of this, but what is the good value for trading down to 21 (I think)? An extra 3rd rounder or so?

EDIT: Ok, so apparently they make a chart for this sort of stuff. According to the chart it would be a mid 3rd rounder. I wouldn't be upset, but would rather have the better player with the first round pick. Mostly because it feels like the Colts historically have been snake bitten with 3rd round picks, other than the year they got TY and Allen in the 3rd round. That was a home run of a 3rd round. Moncrief and Henry Anderson were good picks too, so I guess recently they were better at it. But looking at a list of 3rd round Colt players from 2000 on...yikes.

It depends who is there. If they can get Foster at 15, run to the podium and don't entertain the offer. If they have a bevy of options like Reddick, Harris, Takk, Barnett, Conley, Lamp, etc., then trade down.

Puck 04-19-2017 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 10018)
It depends who is there. If they can get Foster at 15, run to the podium and don't entertain the offer. If they have a bevy of options like Reddick, Harris, Takk, Barnett, Conley, Lamp, etc., then trade down.


Is Foster even healthy???? Is his arm healed? I know there are rumors floating around he may need another surgery

YDFL Commish 04-19-2017 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 10001)
Probably better pass on this guy if available with any of our picks ...

Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon allegedly punched a female while in high school.

The allegation comes from Anthony Hernandez, who says for a "fact" that Mixon hit his daughter when the two were in high school. "He threw my daughter to the ground and hit her," Hernandez said. "I went to the school and they hid him in the office. He got no punishment. The police even came. I was escorted off the campus as if I did something wrong. These are simply the facts, he's a woman beater." Longtime personnel man Gil Brandt said this incident is of concern among NFL teams, in addition to the video of Mixon laying out a girl with a punch at Oklahoma. Mixon could be drafted anywhere from Day 2 to being an UDFA. Apr 19 - 10:19 AM


Source: Profootballtalk on NBC Sports
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/12147/joe-mixon

Update... That story has since been recanted, by the girls father.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...by-2-nfl-teams

Dam8610 04-19-2017 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 9924)
No chance Haason Reddick falls to #46 (hell, he could go before us at #15, to be honest, but damn would that be great).

And while I'm beating the ILB drum to literal death, if we got both Foster and Reddick, then McMillian would be overkill (I don't JUST say that just because McMillian does nothing for me). At that point, Lawson would be the no-brainer of the two, IMO.

Reddick. Is. Not. A. ILB. In. This. System.

Coltsalr 04-19-2017 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 10024)
Reddick. Is. Not. A. ILB. In. This. System.

Says...you?

VeveJones007 04-19-2017 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 10022)
Is Foster even healthy???? Is his arm healed? I know there are rumors floating around he may need another surgery

Medical re-checks came in yesterday saying that he'd be ready for training camp.

VeveJones007 04-19-2017 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 10023)
Update... That story has since been recanted, by the girls father.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...by-2-nfl-teams

$$$ changes a lot of things.

VeveJones007 04-19-2017 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 10025)
Says...you?

If you draft Foster at 1.15 and Reddick at 2.14, then you assume Reddick is playing EDGE. Why would you draft two ILBs in the first two rounds?

Coltsalr 04-19-2017 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 10030)
If you draft Foster at 1.15 and Reddick at 2.14, then you assume Reddick is playing EDGE. Why would you draft two ILBs in the first two rounds?

If we somehow came away with both, I'd be so joyful I wouldn't care where they planned.

More seriously, because we're not any good at ILB?

That said, I do think it's a legitimate question of where Reddick would play in our system. I'm not sure he has the size to play EDGE. I understand the concerns about him as an ILB too, I'm just not convinced it's as clear-cut as Dam implies, as again, I hardly see him as a slamdunk at OLB in this defense.

rcubed 04-19-2017 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 10024)
Reddick. Is. Not. A. ILB. In. This. System.

period time again, dam?

apballin 04-19-2017 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 10017)
How many titles have the Cowboys won with that line?

Follow-up questions: What QB did they lose to in the playoffs last year? Is there a comparable QB who you could envision getting in the Colts way in the AFC?

Zero titles, Arod, no IMO Arod is the best quarterback in the NFL and he is the only QB that could've made the throw that put the Cowboys out of the playoffs.

For 5 years now we've seen the result of Luck vs Patriots with a shitty line and a talent deficient defense. Nobody can stop Brady so IMO trying to stack defense will do no good either, the NFL has turned into arena football anyway, give Luck a solid O line and I'll take my chances

YDFL Commish 04-19-2017 06:58 PM

I definitely wouldn't be unhappy about the Colts taking Reddick at #15, and I'm not going to pigeon hole him into a particular position.

But let's just say this, who wouldn't want a guy who can cover, rush the passer and stop the run?

The real question is, can this coaching staff be innovative enough to line him up all over the field and unleash his talent?

VeveJones007 04-19-2017 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 10049)
Zero titles, Arod, no IMO Arod is the best quarterback in the NFL and he is the only QB that could've made the throw that put the Cowboys out of the playoffs.

For 5 years now we've seen the result of Luck vs Patriots with a shitty line and a talent deficient defense. Nobody can stop Brady so IMO trying to stack defense will do no good either, the NFL has turned into arena football anyway, give Luck a solid O line and I'll take my chances

I like how you conveniently overlook the 2015 postseason in your assessment that a defense can't slow down the Patriots. Frankly, that 2015 Broncos defense should be the model.

VeveJones007 04-19-2017 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 10048)
period time again, dam?

Draft needs to get here already. We're all getting a bit touchy.

Chromeburn 04-19-2017 08:52 PM

Foster isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. Can Reddick play inside and shed blocks? Both are a bit undersized for ILB in a 3-4 I think. Personally I go corner or pass rusher, and another pass rusher in the 3rd or 4th. I think I would go Charles Harris then after him Takk. A trade back would be great.

Two lower round ILBs could be Alex Anzalone or Walker from Northwestern. Anzalone can run sideline to sideline and tackle.

I would also like Wormley from Michigan in the 2nd, he is going to be a nasty 5tech DE. Don't know if he will last though.

Dam8610 04-19-2017 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 10025)
Says...you?

And anyone else whose watched his tape.

natagu23 04-20-2017 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 10053)
I definitely wouldn't be unhappy about the Colts taking Reddick at #15, and I'm not going to pigeon hole him into a particular position.

But let's just say this, who wouldn't want a guy who can cover, rush the passer and stop the run?

The real question is, can this coaching staff be innovative enough to line him up all over the field and unleash his talent?

Almost like a Jamie Collins when he was with the Pats. I like it.

But i think you can still get great value for a Raekwon Mcmillian in the 2nd, and pull the trigger on a CB or a olinemen in the 1st.

There are no decent pass rushers that are worth the 15th pick in the draft without reaching. People will say Barnett, but he is more of a 43 DE than anything else if you want to be honest with yourself. Thats if he is still there.

Wyatt 04-20-2017 07:19 AM

Mel Kipers take on us

https://i.redd.it/qvbb2r2sfksy.jpg

Wyatt 04-20-2017 07:21 AM

I'd be alright with the first 2, although I highly doubt Fournette falls to us, but a project in the 3rd seems foolish

sherck 04-20-2017 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyatt (Post 10076)
I'd be alright with the first 2, although I highly doubt Fournette falls to us, but a project in the 3rd seems foolish

If this is what BPA looks like......

Stud RB in the first round. Not our top need IMO but it would help our offense start scoring points in gobs. One way to skin the cat, I guess.

McDowell would be a 5-tech DE in our scheme. Sounds like most of his problems are coaching related so if our D-Line coach can get him to work....

NT = Hankins, Woods
DT = Anderson, Ridgeway
DE = Langford, McDowell
Depth guys fighting for 7th spot = McGill, Parry, Hunt

Eluemunor is not a terrible prospect in the 3rd round. We don't necessarily need immediate help at RG; one of Haeg, Good or Schwenke can win the position for 2017.

However, Eluemunor has some physical skills that are pretty high ceiling for someone who might get drafted in the 3rd / 4th round. Almost everything negative in his multiple draft profiles that I just read were all about his technique and relative lack of fottball experience......much like Le'Raven Clark last year.

There is one consensus 1st round OG in this years draft: Lamp. His combine performance was good and placed him at the head of the class.

After him, there are about 10 guys who are lumped into the 2nd/3rd round draft area. Of those 10 guys, Eluemunor has the combine/pro day results to rank him in the top 3 of them pretty much across the board (except for 20-yard shuttle; he was 4th there).

I trust Philbin to take a guy who has the physical skills and mental ability to play in the NFL and have him refine his technique so that he can excel. He did a great job with Clark last year and getting Haeg ready to play all over the place.

I still want an ALL DEFENSE top of the draft but if BPA brings us O-line and Running Back......okay, I guess.

Cheers,

Puck 04-20-2017 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 10024)
Reddick. Is. Not. A. ILB. In. This. System.

AN. ILB. Not. A. ILB.

Wyatt 04-20-2017 08:24 AM

RB in RD1 is definitely not my first choice, but I think if Fournette were to fall to 1-15 then we seriously entertain taking him, or seeing if anyone is willing to trade up with a load of picks

Coltsalr 04-20-2017 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 10063)
And anyone else whose watched his tape.

Link to "anyone else" that watched his tape and deemed he couldn't possibly be a 3-4 ILB and that he absolutely has to be a 3-4 OLB?

Coltsalr 04-20-2017 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyatt (Post 10075)

Ignoring both LB and CB for the first two rounds would cause both Puck and I to have a stroke.

At least we wouldn't be arguing with each other anymore at that point. :D

Spike 04-20-2017 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 10101)
Ignoring both LB and CB for the first two rounds would cause both Puck and I to have a stroke.

At least we wouldn't be arguing with each other anymore at that point. :D

Mel Kiper is a dumb ass.

Wyatt 04-20-2017 09:17 AM

@AaronWilson_NFL 4m4 minutes ago
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Chromeburn 04-20-2017 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by natagu23 (Post 10066)
Almost like a Jamie Collins when he was with the Pats. I like it.

But i think you can still get great value for a Raekwon Mcmillian in the 2nd, and pull the trigger on a CB or a olinemen in the 1st.

There are no decent pass rushers that are worth the 15th pick in the draft without reaching. People will say Barnett, but he is more of a 43 DE than anything else if you want to be honest with yourself. Thats if he is still there.

Barnett is a 2nd round talent. But will likely go in the first. Takk and Harris are worth the pick. Takk will need some coaching and skill development but he has the athletsism to be drafted there. I hope they stay away from Barnett.

Chromeburn 04-20-2017 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyatt (Post 10075)

I would say no to Fournette, will need 20-25 carries a game to be effective. And is he only a two down back? I would look for a more versatile 3 down back and you can get one in the 4th or 5th. We have a shot at a elite defensive talent and someone almost always falls draft day because teams force QBs higher than they should be taken. And usually one overrated receiver who is more athlete than football player is in there.

Chromeburn 04-20-2017 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 10096)
If this is what BPA looks like......

Stud RB in the first round. Not our top need IMO but it would help our offense start scoring points in gobs. One way to skin the cat, I guess.

McDowell would be a 5-tech DE in our scheme. Sounds like most of his problems are coaching related so if our D-Line coach can get him to work....

NT = Hankins, Woods
DT = Anderson, Ridgeway
DE = Langford, McDowell
Depth guys fighting for 7th spot = McGill, Parry, Hunt

Eluemunor is not a terrible prospect in the 3rd round. We don't necessarily need immediate help at RG; one of Haeg, Good or Schwenke can win the position for 2017.

However, Eluemunor has some physical skills that are pretty high ceiling for someone who might get drafted in the 3rd / 4th round. Almost everything negative in his multiple draft profiles that I just read were all about his technique and relative lack of fottball experience......much like Le'Raven Clark last year.

There is one consensus 1st round OG in this years draft: Lamp. His combine performance was good and placed him at the head of the class.

After him, there are about 10 guys who are lumped into the 2nd/3rd round draft area. Of those 10 guys, Eluemunor has the combine/pro day results to rank him in the top 3 of them pretty much across the board (except for 20-yard shuttle; he was 4th there).

I trust Philbin to take a guy who has the physical skills and mental ability to play in the NFL and have him refine his technique so that he can excel. He did a great job with Clark last year and getting Haeg ready to play all over the place.

I still want an ALL DEFENSE top of the draft but if BPA brings us O-line and Running Back......okay, I guess.

Cheers,


I might go Wormley with the 2nd. He doesn't have McDowell's ceiling. But his floor is real high and he could be a real terror at 5tech DE. A good player for a decade. I almost prefer that to McDowell's stop and go motor.

Coltsalr 04-20-2017 12:50 PM

I wish I trusted our coaching staff enough to grab a guy like Takk McKinley and develop him.

I most certainly do not.

Give me the guy that's more NFL-ready, that's more plug-and-play, particularly at pass rush.

Racehorse 04-20-2017 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyatt (Post 10075)

All I see is a small green box

FatDT 04-20-2017 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 10138)
I wish I trusted our coaching staff enough to grab a guy like Takk McKinley and develop him.

I most certainly do not.

Give me the guy that's more NFL-ready, that's more plug-and-play, particularly at pass rush.

Strongly agree. I'll take developed players that are a little shorter/lighter/slower but have produced in college, try hard, and have NFL bodies. That's why Derek Barnett, Soloman Thomas, Demarcus Lawrence, maybe Taco Charleton, and maybe Charles Harris are my favorite realistic OLB prospects for the Colts.

Wyatt 04-20-2017 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 10139)
All I see is a small green box

he has us taking:
Rd1 - Fournette - RB - LSU
Rd2 - Malik McDowell - DT - Michigan State
Rd3 - Jermaine Eluemunor - TE - Texas A&M

Coltsalr 04-20-2017 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 10140)
Strongly agree. I'll take developed players that are a little shorter/lighter/slower but have produced in college, try hard, and have NFL bodies. That's why Derek Barnett, Soloman Thomas, Demarcus Lawrence, maybe Taco Charleton, and maybe Charles Harris are my favorite realistic OLB prospects for the Colts.

Tim Williams is a bit of a grey area on this one. On the one hand, I'm not overwhelmed with confidence in our coaching staff keeping him on the straight and narrow. I think it's been proven with guys whether it be Landry, DQ Jackson, Art Jones, etc getting busted for PED's that there's not some sense of accountability in that locker room.

On the other hand, he does strike me as somebody that has the size and speed and playing style of somebody that would be a plug-and-play in the NFL. Now, granted he has to get on the field, and it's entirely possible he's the next Randy Gregory that, who knows if he's any good, as he's never on the field.

Like I said, I'm split on him, but I think would take my chances on a guy like him, rather than a guy like Takk McKinley, who our coaching staff would have to develop from a talent perspective.

Wyatt 04-20-2017 01:35 PM

I'm all for not drafting RB in the 1st unless Fournett falls to us somehow, but what do you guys think of James Conner of Pitt.

He wrote this to the NFL GM's and I found it an interesting read.

Chromeburn 04-20-2017 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 10138)
I wish I trusted our coaching staff enough to grab a guy like Takk McKinley and develop him.

I most certainly do not.

Give me the guy that's more NFL-ready, that's more plug-and-play, particularly at pass rush.

Well development seems to be more and more happening in the off season. Training camp seems to be about installing the scheme, and during the week it is all about the upcoming opponent and what they will do. You have to look at does he have the athletiscm to play the spot, can he bend and get around that edge, and can he learn and is coachsble. Experts will be working with him during the offseason. He has gotten better each year. I think it may take a few years, but if patient he should develop barring injury.

Chromeburn 04-20-2017 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyatt (Post 10141)
he has us taking:
Rd1 - Fournette - RB - LSU
Rd2 - Malik McDowell - DT - Michigan State
Rd3 - Jermaine Eluemunor - TE - Texas A&M

God I hope not.

I guess I shouldn't say that. This is a very boom or bust draft. And it will likely come down to McDowell, if he hits his ceiling you have one of the best DE's in the game. Just say no on the guard. Need a LB or CB there.

natagu23 04-20-2017 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 10135)
Barnett is a 2nd round talent. But will likely go in the first. Takk and Harris are worth the pick. Takk will need some coaching and skill development but he has the athletsism to be drafted there. I hope they stay away from Barnett.

Takk will need some coaching??

lol

VeveJones007 04-20-2017 04:38 PM

Ugh, Foster got hit with a diluted urine sample at the combine, so he's now in the system. Given his other character question marks and Ballard's comments on Wednesday, you have to think he'll be off their board at 15. I hope not, but I'm taking Ballard at his word that character is an important factor for him.

Wyatt 04-20-2017 04:41 PM

@pfrumors 5m5 minutes ago
Alabama LB Reuben Foster Fails Drug Test https://www.profootballrumors.com/20...ails-drug-test …

As Veve mentioned.....

Well fuck!


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