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FatDT 04-19-2018 11:39 AM

Puck are you seriously saying Cleveland won't pick a QB with either of their picks?

rcubed 04-19-2018 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 63508)
Dam if you were a Cleveland fan you would still want Chubb.

I think Cleveland goes Barkley with their 1st and Chubb at 4 if th Giants dont pick him.

Chubb wont be there at 6. If Ballard was all in on Chubb he wouldnt have traded out of 3.

He knows there are more needs than just one player.

If Chubb is on the board and he gets an offer to move down and pick up a couple of 1st (Buffalo) and 2nd and a 3rd in the process He will do it. It's the smart thing to do.

No one player in this draft is going to change this team. But multiple 1st 2nd and 3rd rounders will.

no way. CLE cant fuck around with the QB spot any longer. They got a competent GM now and will take QB 1 and hope barkley is there at 4.

VeveJones007 04-19-2018 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 63521)
Puck are you seriously saying Cleveland won't pick a QB with either of their picks?

I'm hoping he meant "Darnold" and just mistakenly typed "Barkley."

In fact, the Ringer is reporting that the Browns have considered taking two QBs early (not necessarily #1 and #4, but #1 and maybe a 2).

Dam8610 04-19-2018 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 63508)
Dam if you were a Cleveland fan you would still want Chubb.

I think Cleveland goes Barkley with their 1st and Chubb at 4 if th Giants dont pick him.

Chubb wont be there at 6. If Ballard was all in on Chubb he wouldnt have traded out of 3.

He knows there are more needs than just one player.

If Chubb is on the board and he gets an offer to move down and pick up a couple of 1st (Buffalo) and 2nd and a 3rd in the process He will do it. It's the smart thing to do.

No one player in this draft is going to change this team. But multiple 1st 2nd and 3rd rounders will.

What does what I want or would hypothetically want have to do with it? Cleveland NEEDS a QB and will take one at 1 unless they really have an even grade on all of the top 3 on their board, in which case they might take Barkley at 1 like you suggest. But if you think they value Barkley highly enough to take at 1 overall, why do you then also think they would take Chubb over him if he's available at 4?

Puck 04-19-2018 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 63531)
What does what I want or would hypothetically want have to do with it? Cleveland NEEDS a QB and will take one at 1 unless they really have an even grade on all of the top 3 on their board, in which case they might take Barkley at 1 like you suggest. But if you think they value Barkley highly enough to take at 1 overall, why do you then also think they would take Chubb over him if he's available at 4?


I am saying you have tunnel vision and are set on Chubb no matter what.

Puck 04-19-2018 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 63521)
Puck are you seriously saying Cleveland won't pick a QB with either of their picks?

Depends.... they could do a serious upgrade with Barkley and Chubb Ride out the QB for another yr or go with Taylor. Taylor is not a bad QB.

They will probably take a QB but you never know.... Do you think any of these QB's are sure fire superstars? Will all of them be better than Taylor?

Dam8610 04-19-2018 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 63536)
I am saying you have tunnel vision and are set on Chubb no matter what.

Which you have to know is bullshit, because I'm not advocating trading back up for him.

jchestnut31 04-19-2018 02:12 PM

Heard at lunch on Cowherd (who I can't stand) rumor is NYG will only take QB if Darnold is there. NYJ are locked in on Mayfield at 3 (with the assumption Darnold & Allen are gone).

FatDT 04-19-2018 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 63537)
Depends.... they could do a serious upgrade with Barkley and Chubb Ride out the QB for another yr or go with Taylor. Taylor is not a bad QB.

They will probably take a QB but you never know.... Do you think any of these QB's are sure fire superstars? Will all of them be better than Taylor?

That's not reasonable at all. The Browns are taking a QB.

VeveJones007 04-19-2018 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jchestnut31 (Post 63543)
Heard at lunch on Cowherd (who I can't stand) rumor is NYG will only take QB if Darnold is there. NYJ are locked in on Mayfield at 3 (with the assumption Darnold & Allen are gone).

I’ve heard the same from a few other places, but it all still seems highly speculative.

VeveJones007 04-19-2018 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 63537)
Depends.... they could do a serious upgrade with Barkley and Chubb Ride out the QB for another yr or go with Taylor. Taylor is not a bad QB.

They will probably take a QB but you never know.... Do you think any of these QB's are sure fire superstars? Will all of them be better than Taylor?

There are some bad takes that stick to posters. Seriously positing that the Browns won’t draft a QB is one of those takes.

Chaka 04-19-2018 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 63523)
I'm hoping he meant "Darnold" and just mistakenly typed "Barkley."

In fact, the Ringer is reporting that the Browns have considered taking two QBs early (not necessarily #1 and #4, but #1 and maybe a 2).

Taking two QBs at 1 and 4 would be crazy and undeniably bold, and open Cleveland to further ridicule. However, there might be some kind of weird logic to it - maximize your chance to land a top QB, which will set you up for contending for the next 10+ years. Trade the other guy. This article points out that Dallas kinda did this in 1989 with Troy Aikman (1st overall pick) and Steve Walsh (supplemental 1st round pick):

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-quarterbacks/

I realize it's not as simple as 2 QB prospects are better than 1. Who knows what it would do to the psychology of the two QBs, and would you reduce the chance of either excelling by having both of them there? Would they refuse to sign? That would be crazy and interesting.

VeveJones007 04-19-2018 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 63563)
Taking two QBs at 1 and 4 would be crazy and undeniably bold, and open Cleveland to further ridicule. However, there might be some kind of weird logic to it - maximize your chance to land a top QB, which will set you up for contending for the next 10+ years. Trade the other guy. This article points out that Dallas kinda did this in 1989 with Troy Aikman (1st overall pick) and Steve Walsh (supplemental 1st round pick):

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-quarterbacks/

I realize it's not as simple as 2 QB prospects are better than 1. Who knows what it would do to the psychology of the two QBs, and would you reduce the chance of either excelling by having both of them there? Would they refuse to sign? That would be crazy and interesting.

The issue is practice reps. There aren't enough to go around to properly develop both, particularly with Taylor in the fold.

Chaka 04-19-2018 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 63567)
The issue is practice reps. There aren't enough to go around to properly develop both, particularly with Taylor in the fold.

That would be a problem also, no doubt.

Anther gutsy option, if Cleveland was convinced that the Giants really want Darnold (and Cleveland really wants Allen or someone else), is to draft Darnold at 1 and then engineer a trade with down with the Giants before picking their preferred QB at 2 or 4. Kind of like a more extreme and compressed version of what the Chargers did when they drafted Eli Manning. Reports are that the Jets are locked in on Mayfield, and if so, Cleveland could roll the dice again and try to pull the same thing on them. It would be the craziest draft ever.

Puck 04-19-2018 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 63554)
There are some bad takes that stick to posters. Seriously positing that the Browns won’t draft a QB is one of those takes.

Not saying they won’t. But I don’t see it as a guarantee. They needed a QB last yr and took Garrett number one.


Either way Chubb will go #2 to Giants or 4 to Cleveland The question is do the Browns love Barkley enough to ride with Taylor for at least a yr. or trade back up and take a QB later in round 1 or take their top rated QB at 1

No one saw last yrs draft unfolding the way it did. So nothing is guaranteed

rcubed 04-19-2018 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 63571)
Not saying they won’t. But I don’t see it as a guarantee. They needed a QB last yr and took Garrett number one.


Either way Chubb will go #2 to Giants or 4 to Cleveland The question is do the Browns love Barkley enough to ride with Taylor for at least a yr. or trade back up and take a QB later in round 1 or take their top rated QB at 1

No one saw last yrs draft unfolding the way it did. So nothing is guaranteed

last years QB crop was considered weak compared to this year

Chromeburn 04-19-2018 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 63563)
Taking two QBs at 1 and 4 would be crazy and undeniably bold, and open Cleveland to further ridicule. However, there might be some kind of weird logic to it - maximize your chance to land a top QB, which will set you up for contending for the next 10+ years. Trade the other guy. This article points out that Dallas kinda did this in 1989 with Troy Aikman (1st overall pick) and Steve Walsh (supplemental 1st round pick):

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-quarterbacks/

I realize it's not as simple as 2 QB prospects are better than 1. Who knows what it would do to the psychology of the two QBs, and would you reduce the chance of either excelling by having both of them there? Would they refuse to sign? That would be crazy and interesting.

2 of those QBs out of the top 4 are going to fail. That’s just the odds. You would increase your chances of getting a good one. However I think this is as likely as them taking two non QBs. Say Barkley and Chubb or Nelson. They have passed on QBs before, but really, when it comes to QBs. You just keep taking them till you get the right one.

Dam8610 04-19-2018 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 63571)
Not saying they won’t. But I don’t see it as a guarantee. They needed a QB last yr and took Garrett number one.


Either way Chubb will go #2 to Giants or 4 to Cleveland The question is do the Browns love Barkley enough to ride with Taylor for at least a yr. or trade back up and take a QB later in round 1 or take their top rated QB at 1

No one saw last yrs draft unfolding the way it did. So nothing is guaranteed

You seem to really want it to go that way, but like you said, nothing is guaranteed. I personally can't see the GMs in the top five not going 4 QBs and Barkley, but we won't know until next Thursday.

VeveJones007 04-19-2018 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 63576)
last years QB crop was considered weak compared to this year

This class is deeper, but some analysts rated Trubisky in line with the top of this class.


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