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Colts And Orioles 01-28-2018 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 1965southpaw (Post 53530)



Hmmm ........ Peetz and Eberflauss has been widely reported. I could see Taub for special teams but, Spagnolo under Eberflauss? That seems like a big step down for him, but what do I know:


https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2018/...ching-staff/3/


USA Today gives Colts an "A" for McDaniels hire:


https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2018/...cdaniels-hire/




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Thanks. It appears to be all but done.


Colts Intend to Hire Josh McDaniels as Head Coach after Friday Meeting with Patriots OC

(ESPN.Com News Service)

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...nd-patriots-oc


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DrSpaceman 01-28-2018 08:11 PM

Anyone else think Luck's shoulder is perhaps perfectly fine and he just didn't want to get involved in this shit show this year and basically take a risk at getting injured for no reason? Maybe it was just a passive aggressive way to sit out a year until the Colts showed they were serious about upgrading the whole front office and team?

Maniac 01-28-2018 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpaceman (Post 53569)
Anyone else think Luck's shoulder is perhaps perfectly fine and he just didn't want to get involved in this shit show this year and basically take a risk at getting injured for no reason? Maybe it was just a passive aggressive way to sit out a year until the Colts showed they were serious about upgrading the whole front office and team?

No. He's not a pussy.

DrSpaceman 01-28-2018 08:17 PM

He is also not dumb

Racehorse 01-28-2018 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpaceman (Post 53569)
Anyone else think Luck's shoulder is perhaps perfectly fine and he just didn't want to get involved in this shit show this year and basically take a risk at getting injured for no reason? Maybe it was just a passive aggressive way to sit out a year until the Colts showed they were serious about upgrading the whole front office and team?

Maybe one of the local turds who call themselves journalists would promote the idea.

Not saying you are a turd, doc

Butter 01-28-2018 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpaceman (Post 53573)
He is also not dumb

Very few really know, but He does not seem the type to play those games. Again, we only see a well scripted young man who seems to be very thoughtful on what gets out about him, much like Manning.

Brylok 01-28-2018 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpaceman (Post 53569)
Anyone else think Luck's shoulder is perhaps perfectly fine and he just didn't want to get involved in this shit show this year and basically take a risk at getting injured for no reason? Maybe it was just a passive aggressive way to sit out a year until the Colts showed they were serious about upgrading the whole front office and team?

I'm one of the more pessimistic people on this board and, no, I don't believe that. Andrew Luck would have had to have lied to everyone this entire time and I don't think he's the type of person who could/would do that. I'm not piling on, it's a good question.

/TY had a good catch in the Pro Bowl if anyone cares

HoosierinFL 01-28-2018 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpaceman (Post 53569)
Anyone else think Luck's shoulder is perhaps perfectly fine and he just didn't want to get involved in this shit show this year and basically take a risk at getting injured for no reason? Maybe it was just a passive aggressive way to sit out a year until the Colts showed they were serious about upgrading the whole front office and team?

Luck wouldn't make that call, but possibly Ballard would.

I know that if I were Ballard, after seeing that the season was lost, and watching the beating Brissett was taking, that it would be absolutely foolish to bring back a newly mended Luck and risk him getting hurt. Putting him on IR when they did was the only reasonable move.

Coltsalr 01-29-2018 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DrSpaceman (Post 53569)
Anyone else think Luck's shoulder is perhaps perfectly fine and he just didn't want to get involved in this shit show this year and basically take a risk at getting injured for no reason? Maybe it was just a passive aggressive way to sit out a year until the Colts showed they were serious about upgrading the whole front office and team?

I would buy the Cowherd collusion angle between Luck/Luck’s dad/Ballard more than I would buy that Luck tanked it on his own volition.

testcase448 01-29-2018 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DrSpaceman (Post 53569)
Anyone else think Luck's shoulder is perhaps perfectly fine and he just didn't want to get involved in this shit show this year and basically take a risk at getting injured for no reason? Maybe it was just a passive aggressive way to sit out a year until the Colts showed they were serious about upgrading the whole front office and team?

Interesting premise, but I think it's more the damage is more severe than reported all along. OR even more likely the surgery was wasn't completely successful.

Racehorse 01-29-2018 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by testcase448 (Post 53600)
Interesting premise, but I think it's more the damage is more severe than reported all along. OR even more likely the surgery was wasn't completely successful.

Asylum let you back on the tablet?

DrSpaceman 01-29-2018 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 53578)
I'm one of the more pessimistic people on this board and, no, I don't believe that. Andrew Luck would have had to have lied to everyone this entire time and I don't think he's the type of person who could/would do that. I'm not piling on, it's a good question.

/TY had a good catch in the Pro Bowl if anyone cares

He wouldn't have had to lie to anyone really.

Heck Ballard and Irsay may even have been aware, with a wink and a nudge, and gone along with it.

Just after reading what he was doing in Europe for 2-3 months, which seemed to be nothing but rehab, no other procedures or interventions, and the fact there does not seem to be in other procedure planned to for further repair, it makes me think he and the front office were just being cautious and decided it wasn't worth the risk this season and just all came to an "understanding" that he is not "100%" and would, gosh darn it, just have to wait until next season.

DrSpaceman 01-29-2018 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by testcase448 (Post 53600)
Interesting premise, but I think it's more the damage is more severe than reported all along. OR even more likely the surgery was wasn't completely successful.

If the surgery were not successful he I think he would have gone back for more surgery by now.

Now he could have and we just did not hear about it, but as of now we have no reports of that happening.

Maniac 01-29-2018 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpaceman (Post 53644)
He wouldn't have had to lie to anyone really.

Heck Ballard and Irsay may even have been aware, with a wink and a nudge, and gone along with it.

Just after reading what he was doing in Europe for 2-3 months, which seemed to be nothing but rehab, no other procedures or interventions, and the fact there does not seem to be in other procedure planned to for further repair, it makes me think he and the front office were just being cautious and decided it wasn't worth the risk this season and just all came to an "understanding" that he is not "100%" and would, gosh darn it, just have to wait until next season.

Or they are telling the truth, that his surgery went fine and his shoulder is structurally sound, but he was experiencing pain when he started throwing, likely due to the surgeon not cutting and relocating the bicep tendon causing it to pull on that area and cause him pain. Luck said that he is feeling much better from the rehab in europe, so it may well have just taken some extra time and rehab work to get rid of that discomfort.

Racehorse 01-29-2018 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JesusChrist (Post 53669)
Or they are telling the truth, that his surgery went fine and his shoulder is structurally sound, but he was experiencing pain when he started throwing, likely due to the surgeon not cutting and relocating the bicep tendon causing it to pull on that area and cause him pain. Luck said that he is feeling much better from the rehab in europe, so it may well have just taken some extra time and rehab work to get rid of that discomfort.

Jesus, always seeing the good in people. How nice of you!

Puck 01-29-2018 09:16 PM

I think he wanted Pags gone as much as the rest of us and said I'll come back once Pagfuck is fired

Indystu2 01-30-2018 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 53680)
I think he wanted Pags gone as much as the rest of us and said I'll come back once Pagfuck is fired

I said " Doc, it hurts when I do this" Doc said, "Don't do that"

Meaning: if you are getting your @ss handed to you behind that O line and terrible scheme, stop doing that!

Coltsalr 01-30-2018 06:26 PM

@RapSheet
The head coach isn’t official yet, but his assistants are getting there. I’m told the #Colts have signed respected OL coach Dave DeGuglielmo to coach their O-line. He was most recently coaching the #Dolphins.


DeGugliemo has sort of a meh reputation here in New England. He got absolutely killed by the media/fans at the beginning of 2014 (his first year of coaching after Scarnecchia “retired”) when the Pats dropped two and in particular Brady got killed by Miami/KC. The OL did stabilize and they did win the Super Bowl that year. He also was the OL coach when they got abused by Denver in the AFCCG.

So yeah, his tenure was bookended by OL collapses. In between though, they held up.

sherck 01-31-2018 08:27 AM

Offensive performances of the Cheats:

2017 / 4,617 passing / 35 sacks taken / 5.6% sack rate / 1,889 rushing / 4.2 ypc
2016 / 4,454 passing / 24 sacks taken / 4.2% sack rate / 1,872 rushing / 3.9 ypc
2015 / 4,812 passing / 38 sacks taken / 5.7% sack rate / 1,404 rushing / 3.7 ypc
2014 / 4,291 passing / 26 sacks taken / 4.1% sack rate / 1,727 rushing / 3.9 ypc
2013 / 4,343 passing / 40 sacks taken / 6.0% sack rate / 2,065 rushing / 4.4 ypc
2012 / 4,844 passing / 27 sacks taken / 4.1% sack rate / 2,184 rushing / 4.2 ypc

[[Goodness, Ying or Yang seasons for sack rates. One good followed by one bad.]]

DeGuglielmo was the Cheats O-Line coach in 2014 and 2015.

I don't know what to think. He has been let go / not re-signed by 2 different teams in the past two seasons; the Cheats in 2016 and the Dolphins in 2017. Obviously, he is not a hot prospect right now.

However, here are the Colts sack rates from 2017 going back to 2012: 10.0% / 7.0% / 5.6% / 4.2% / 5.3% / 6.1%.

From a low of 2014 (ending our 3-in-a-row 11 win seasons), we have jumped greatly over the past 3 seasons. Looking back at DeGuglielmo's history (rough because they are different systems and different QBs), his coached lines have never given up a sack rate of more than 6.2%.

DeGuglielmo has been the only Cheats O-Line coach not named Dante Scarnecchia since 1999. Scarnecchia "retired" in 2013 but came out of retirement in 2016 once the Cheats parted ways with DeGuglielmo to take the offensive line back over.

McDaniels only has first hand experience with the following O-Line coaches:

Scarnecchia the Cheats current O-Line coach
DeGuglielmo
Rick Dennison (2009 DEN O-Line coach) who was the BUF O-Coordinator in 2017 but has been moved back to be the BUF O-Line coach and Run Game Coordinator for 2018.
Clancy Barone (2010 DEN O-Line coach) who has been a long time TE coach (since 2005) with 1 year of O-Line coaching experience in 2010 in Denver and the current MIN TE coach.

This feels like a "I know this guy" type of hire rather than a "I LOVE this guy" type of hire.

He is familiar with the offensive system McDaniels plans on running and that has to count for quite a bit. He knows from day one what he is looking for in players and how to get them ready to block in the scheme that we will be running.

Perhaps it is as simple as that. But I am not seeing a highly successful coach's resume here.

Walk Worthy,

Coltsalr 01-31-2018 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 53811)
Offensive performances of the Cheats:

2017 / 4,617 passing / 35 sacks taken / 5.6% sack rate / 1,889 rushing / 4.2 ypc
2016 / 4,454 passing / 24 sacks taken / 4.2% sack rate / 1,872 rushing / 3.9 ypc
2015 / 4,812 passing / 38 sacks taken / 5.7% sack rate / 1,404 rushing / 3.7 ypc
2014 / 4,291 passing / 26 sacks taken / 4.1% sack rate / 1,727 rushing / 3.9 ypc
2013 / 4,343 passing / 40 sacks taken / 6.0% sack rate / 2,065 rushing / 4.4 ypc
2012 / 4,844 passing / 27 sacks taken / 4.1% sack rate / 2,184 rushing / 4.2 ypc

[[Goodness, Ying or Yang seasons for sack rates. One good followed by one bad.]]

DeGuglielmo was the Cheats O-Line coach in 2015 and 2016.

I don't know what to think. He has been let go / not re-signed by 2 different teams in the past two seasons; the Cheats in 2016 and the Dolphins in 2017. Obviously, he is not a hot prospect right now.

However, here are the Colts sack rates from 2017 going back to 2012: 10.0% / 7.0% / 5.6% / 4.2% / 5.3% / 6.1%.

From a low of 2014 (ending our 3-in-a-row 11 win seasons), we have jumped greatly over the past 3 seasons. Looking back at DeGuglielmo's history (rough because they are different systems and different QBs), his coached lines have never given up a sack rate of more than 6.2%.

DeGuglielmo has been the only Cheats O-Line coach not named Dante Scarnecchia since 1999. Scarnecchia "retired" in 2013 but came out of retirement in 2016 once the Cheats parted ways with DeGuglielmo to take the offensive line back over.

McDaniels only has first hand experience with the following O-Line coaches:

Scarnecchia the Cheats current O-Line coach
DeGuglielmo
Rick Dennison (2009 DEN O-Line coach) who was the BUF O-Coordinator in 2017 but has been moved back to be the BUF O-Line coach and Run Game Coordinator for 2018.
Clancy Barone (2010 DEN O-Line coach) who has been a long time TE coach (since 2005) with 1 year of O-Line coaching experience in 2010 in Denver and the current MIN TE coach.

This feels like a "I know this guy" type of hire rather than a "I LOVE this guy" type of hire.

He is familiar with the offensive system McDaniels plans on running and that has to count for quite a bit. He knows from day one what he is looking for in players and how to get them ready to block in the scheme that we will be running.

Perhaps it is as simple as that. But I am not seeing a highly successful coach's resume here.

Walk Worthy,

2014 and 2015 for the Cheats, just for clarification.

sherck 01-31-2018 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 53814)
2014 and 2015 for the Cheats, just for clarification.

Woops, you are correct, sir.

Corrected in the original post.

Walk Worthy,

FatDT 01-31-2018 12:54 PM

A few points on the new OL coach, pointed out by Stampede Blue posters.

In 2015 he had to utilize 15 different starting lineups because of injury.

3 rookies started more than 10 games in 2015.

Two offensive linemen from that 2015 squad were out of the league after that year.

I'm not that confident in the guy. But I will hope for the best and then bitch about how he sucks if he does poorly.

1965southpaw 01-31-2018 01:24 PM

Don't know if we know what kind of contract he was signed to but giving Ballard the benefit of the doubt he has shown a penchant for signing JAGs to modest short term contracts and if this is the case it my be brilliant. You give McD someone who can quickly get our line ready for the new JMcD offensive scheme due to his knowledge of Josh's "system" but if he doesn't perform well you cut his ass (accountability is a beautiful thing) and upgrade in a year or two. Do we know anything about his contract?

Coltsalr 01-31-2018 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 53822)
Woops, you are correct, sir.

Corrected in the original post.

Walk Worthy,

I’m an expert on all things Patriots, as everyone here is quick to remind me.

rcubed 01-31-2018 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 1965southpaw (Post 53845)
Don't know if we know what kind of contract he was signed to but giving Ballard the benefit of the doubt he has shown a penchant for signing JAGs to modest short term contracts and if this is the case it my be brilliant. You give McD someone who can quickly get our line ready for the new JMcD offensive scheme due to his knowledge of Josh's "system" but if he doesn't perform well you cut his ass (accountability is a beautiful thing) and upgrade in a year or two. Do we know anything about his contract?

Sure. but honestly I am not worried about an OL coach's contract deterring us in the future.

1965southpaw 01-31-2018 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 53847)
Sure. but honestly I am not worried about an OL coach's contract deterring us in the future.

true enough but Irsay is already blowing a lot of green on ex-coach/gm contracts....think of all the pristine guitars he could buy instead.

sherck 01-31-2018 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 53847)
Sure. but honestly I am not worried about an OL coach's contract deterring us in the future.

Coaches pay is outside the salary cap so teams are not required to report it tot he public.

But, my guess is that almost no one outside of Head Coaches get any type of signing bonus/guaranteed money in their contracts. Position coaches? Yeah, they are pretty much flat up money that if the team cuts you, oh well.

Not an issue with anyone lower than HC and PERHAPS a coordinator but doubtful even then.

Walk Worthy,

Butter 01-31-2018 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 53857)
Coaches pay is outside the salary cap so teams are not required to report it tot he public.

But, my guess is that almost no one outside of Head Coaches get any type of signing bonus/guaranteed money in their contracts. Position coaches? Yeah, they are pretty much flat up money that if the team cuts you, oh well.

Not an issue with anyone lower than HC and PERHAPS a coordinator but doubtful even then.

Walk Worthy,

I would guess many OC/DC and some position coaches have some guaranteed money, doubt it is deal breaking.

rcubed 02-02-2018 01:02 PM

so when will they announce the worst kept secret?

monday? tuesday?

Racehorse 02-02-2018 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 54053)
so when will they announce the worst kept secret?

monday? tuesday?

Monday, most likely. However, with how we got rid of Pagano, it could be during the trophy presentation Sunday night.

1965southpaw 02-04-2018 05:01 PM

Florio is a POS and this piece of trash cements him as the greatest douchnozzle of all time in my mind.

https://sports.yahoo.com/mcdaniels-h...193634858.html

Racehorse 02-04-2018 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 1965southpaw (Post 54225)
Florio is a POS and this piece of trash cements him as the greatest douchnozzle of all time in my mind.

https://sports.yahoo.com/mcdaniels-h...193634858.html

Wishful thinking on his part. After all, he is a Pasts fan and knows BB is gone soon.

Indiana V2 02-04-2018 09:47 PM

Yeah, seeing some chatter about McDaniels staying in New England, would suck to have to start the search all over for a new coach, but I might start with Frank Reich if it's true.

DrSpaceman 02-04-2018 11:47 PM

Wow how much would the Pats hatred ramp up if McDaniels were the back out and screw over the Colts by delaying a hiring for a month?

I don't think it will happen though

Butter 02-04-2018 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpaceman (Post 54436)
Wow how much would the Pats hatred ramp up if McDaniels were the back out and screw over the Colts by delaying a hiring for a month?

I don't think it will happen though

Well, it could happen, but he would destroy his name and rep within the NFL and no one would respect him or give him another chance. This is a BS nothing burger from that pos Florio, PFT has its place, but ignore anything they write, it is all garbage.

VeveJones007 02-05-2018 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 1965southpaw (Post 54225)
Florio is a POS and this piece of trash cements him as the greatest douchnozzle of all time in my mind.

https://sports.yahoo.com/mcdaniels-h...193634858.html

“There’s chatter” is such terrible journalism. Either you have a source or you do not.

VeveJones007 02-05-2018 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DrSpaceman (Post 54436)
Wow how much would the Pats hatred ramp up if McDaniels were the back out and screw over the Colts by delaying a hiring for a month?

I don't think it will happen though

Ballard and McDaniels have the same agent. If McDaniels backs out and the agent gave Ballard no indication, someone’s getting fired.

1965southpaw 02-05-2018 04:13 PM

I've heard several reporters, including JMV saying the announcement is wednesday. Also JMV is saying right now that his sources are telling him the florio story is bullshit..

Spike 02-05-2018 06:25 PM

Well, the Lions officially announced Patricia as their HC today.

Indiana V2 02-05-2018 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 1965southpaw (Post 54546)
I've heard several reporters, including JMV saying the announcement is wednesday. Also JMV is saying right now that his sources are telling him the florio story is bullshit..

How does Florio have a job?


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