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rcubed 04-17-2017 04:27 PM
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saw on TV that mccaffrey has declined all private workouts and that a team in the teens has guaranteed him they will draft him if he is still there....

we draft in the teens, right?

njcoltfan 04-17-2017 05:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 9806)
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saw on TV that mccaffrey has declined all private workouts and that a team in the teens has guaranteed him they will draft him if he is still there....

we draft in the teens, right?
OH GOD !!! Please NO !!!

YDFL Commish 04-17-2017 06:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 9750)
If Foster isn't there, I'd love to see them move back in round 1 while also adding that team's 2nd (yes, the Colts would have to add maybe a 4th to get that done). They could end up with something like:

1 - OLB Charles Harris
2- CB Sidney Jones
2 - ILB McMillan
I'm in favor of this idea, even if Foster is there. They would need to trade back to the 22 to 25 spots to make it work. But if they are assured to get a player like Harris, then absolutely do it.

Coltsalr 04-17-2017 07:14 PM
I'll also add that I really like Shaquille Griffin, who will probably be available in the 3rd. That's along with several other midround CB's (such as Teez Tabor) likely to be in the middle rounds this year.

I don't like any of the ILB's that are likely to be available in the 3rd. It's entirely possible that Cunningham/Davis/Foster/Reddick will all be gone in the 1st and then there possibly won't be a starting caliber player at all left in the draft at that position.

YDFL Commish 04-17-2017 08:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 9824)
I'll also add that I really like Shaquille Griffin, who will probably be available in the 3rd. That's along with several other midround CB's (such as Teez Tabor) likely to be in the middle rounds this year.

I don't like any of the ILB's that are likely to be available in the 3rd. It's entirely possible that Cunningham/Davis/Foster/Reddick will all be gone in the 1st and then there possibly won't be a starting caliber player at all left in the draft at that position.
Although I'm not incredibly high on Raekwon McMillan, I still believe that he's a starting quality ILB.

apballin 04-17-2017 09:55 PM
Foster or Lamp, that's all

VeveJones007 04-17-2017 11:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Puck (Post 9776)
I am not sure why you keep pounding the table about no pass rush now after the FA period. Simon and Sheard will more than likely be the starting OLBs Spence who apparently you are greatly under rating will be an ILB along with Jackson (my guess) They will add in the draft but to think it has to be at 15 is nonsense.
Maybe we're just not speaking the right language. This defense needs an elite pass rusher like Robert Mathis in his prime. Are you saying that either Simon or Sheard are that? If not, then it's still a need.

VeveJones007 04-17-2017 11:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 9819)
I'm in favor of this idea, even if Foster is there. They would need to trade back to the 22 to 25 spots to make it work. But if they are assured to get a player like Harris, then absolutely do it.
Foster is probably the 2nd best player in the draft. No way I move down if I can get him at 15.

Puck 04-18-2017 12:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 9840)
Maybe we're just not speaking the right language. This defense needs an elite pass rusher like Robert Mathis in his prime. Are you saying that either Simon or Sheard are that? If not, then it's still a need.
Didn't say it wasn't a need. I said there are other needs more demanding like have a CB2 on the roster

I remember Mathis record yr a few yrs ago. I also remember Toler chasing WR into the end zone play after play after play

There are a lot of needs on this team. Not just pass rush

Spike 04-18-2017 01:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by apballin (Post 9832)
Foster or Lamp, that's all
Lamp is one of the safer picks in the draft. We can't fuck around with the 15th pick in the draft and we have to protect Luck. After Lamp, draft all defense.

sherck 04-18-2017 07:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike (Post 9852)
Lamp is one of the safer picks in the draft. We can't fuck around with the 15th pick in the draft and we have to protect Luck. After Lamp, draft all defense.
There are two problems with this concept.

1. We have needs at RB2 and TE3 that probably need to come from the draft. Sure, 4th and 5th round picks in my book but the draft cannot be "all defense" IMO.

2. Gil Brandt from NFL.com just released his "Top 150" prospects list and he has Lamp as the #41 overall prospect.
Walter Football has Lamp at #51 overall.
Matt Miller at Bleacher Reports has him at #47 overall.
DraftTek has Lamp at #30 overall.
CBSportsline has Lamp at #29 overall.
Sporting News does have him ranked #21 overall which is not much of a reach.

My point being is that while Lamp appears "safe" and is at a position of potential need (I disagree; whoever wins of Haeg, Good or Schwenke will be good), he appears to be not terribly good value at 1-15.

For fun, I decided to go back and look at the 2016 "Big Boards" to see where Ryan Kelly ranked.

Gil Brandt has him ranked at #25.
Walter Football had him ranked at #27.
Matt Miller had him ranked #20.
CBSportsline had him ranked #25.
Sports Illustrated did have him ranked #51. What do they know? :)

Anyway, my point is that Kelly was much more a "consensus" first round talent than Lamp is. Who knows how the Colts have Lamp ranked but just blindly deciding to take him in the first round at 1-15 seems a bit of a stretch.

Cheers,

omahacolt 04-18-2017 08:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sherck (Post 9858)
There are two problems with this concept.

1. We have needs at RB2 and TE3 that probably need to come from the draft. Sure, 4th and 5th round picks in my book but the draft cannot be "all defense" IMO.

2. Gil Brandt from NFL.com just released his "Top 150" prospects list and he has Lamp as the #41 overall prospect.
Walter Football has Lamp at #51 overall.
Matt Miller at Bleacher Reports has him at #47 overall.
DraftTek has Lamp at #30 overall.
CBSportsline has Lamp at #29 overall.
Sporting News does have him ranked #21 overall which is not much of a reach.

My point being is that while Lamp appears "safe" and is at a position of potential need (I disagree; whoever wins of Haeg, Good or Schwenke will be good), he appears to be not terribly good value at 1-15.

For fun, I decided to go back and look at the 2016 "Big Boards" to see where Ryan Kelly ranked.

Gil Brandt has him ranked at #25.
Walter Football had him ranked at #27.
Matt Miller had him ranked #20.
CBSportsline had him ranked #25.
Sports Illustrated did have him ranked #51. What do they know? :)

Anyway, my point is that Kelly was much more a "consensus" first round talent than Lamp is. Who knows how the Colts have Lamp ranked but just blindly deciding to take him in the first round at 1-15 seems a bit of a stretch.

Cheers,
We don't need to draft a te 3 at all. The dude will likely be just a st's guy.

Coltsalr 04-18-2017 08:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 9868)
We don't need to draft a te 3 at all. The dude will likely be just a st's guy.
We do also already have a TE3, special teams guy in Brandon Williams on the roster.

Not a priority, I would agree, IMO.

natagu23 04-18-2017 08:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sherck (Post 9858)
There are two problems with this concept.

1. We have needs at RB2 and TE3 that probably need to come from the draft. Sure, 4th and 5th round picks in my book but the draft cannot be "all defense" IMO.

2. Gil Brandt from NFL.com just released his "Top 150" prospects list and he has Lamp as the #41 overall prospect.
Walter Football has Lamp at #51 overall.
Matt Miller at Bleacher Reports has him at #47 overall.
DraftTek has Lamp at #30 overall.
CBSportsline has Lamp at #29 overall.
Sporting News does have him ranked #21 overall which is not much of a reach.

My point being is that while Lamp appears "safe" and is at a position of potential need (I disagree; whoever wins of Haeg, Good or Schwenke will be good), he appears to be not terribly good value at 1-15.

For fun, I decided to go back and look at the 2016 "Big Boards" to see where Ryan Kelly ranked.

Gil Brandt has him ranked at #25.
Walter Football had him ranked at #27.
Matt Miller had him ranked #20.
CBSportsline had him ranked #25.
Sports Illustrated did have him ranked #51. What do they know? :)

Anyway, my point is that Kelly was much more a "consensus" first round talent than Lamp is. Who knows how the Colts have Lamp ranked but just blindly deciding to take him in the first round at 1-15 seems a bit of a stretch.

Cheers,
Trade back. Pick up more picks and draft Lamp.

Problem solved.

Im beginning to think we're in no mans land at 15 anyways.

Btw, we may have Lamp ranked higher on our draft boards like you mentioned. That Alabama tape doesnt lie.

sherck 04-18-2017 09:41 AM
So, some spare time on my hands......

Gil Brandt writes this in his "Top 150 Draft Prospects" article this week on NFL.com
Quote:
This is the 57th year I have produced rankings of NFL draft prospects. In the early years when I was with the Cowboys, we had only a fraction of the information we have today, with very few confirmed measurements and times for prospects.

But that has all changed. I can now look at my database and pull the confirmed short-shuttle or three-cone time of the 947th-ranked prospect instantaneously ... and in a matter of seconds have on my computer screen in front of me all the third-down-and-short run plays he was involved in at his Div. III school.

It makes an evaluator's job easier and harder at the same time. There's so much more to consider with the overload of information, but ultimately it's more accurate info, which should (in theory) make draft boards around the league more informed and precise.
So, he has been doing this a LONG time. I decided to go back and look to see how accurate his ranking have been to where the player ended up being drafted.

I will not bore you with the spreadsheets but I looked at his last six years and analyzed the top 100 prospects. I noted where he said they ranked and where they ended up being drafted. Long story short:

-- Brandt is accurate in picking a players draft slot within 10 slots either way 75% of the time.

That means that if he ranks a guy as the #25 ranked guys, that 3 out of 4 times, that guy will be selected between 16 and 34. This is pretty easy to do at the top of the draft but get progressively harder when down in the 30s and 40s much less the 70s and 80s; however, Brandt still does a good job done there.

That 75% number accounts for a lot of factors, most notably player injury and QB jumping, that lower that percentage. I thought that was a pretty accurate percentage over six draft classes.

So, for our purposes, what does that mean? Players within 10 spots of our 2017 draft picks:

1-15 (#15):
06. Malik Hooker - S, Ohio State
07. Jonathan Allen - DT, Alabama
08. Mitchell Trubisky - QB, North Carolina
09. Deshaun Watson - QB, Clemson
10. John Ross - WR, Washington
11. Gareon Conley - CB, Ohio State
12. Christian McCaffrey - RB, Stanford
13. O.J. Howard - TE, Alabama
14. Reuben Foster - LB, Alabama
15. Cam Robinson - OT, Alabama
16. Derek Barnett - DE, Tennessee
17. Charles Harris - DE, Missouri
18. Parick Mahomes - QB, Texas Tech
19. Ryan Ramczyk - OT, Wisconsin
20. Jarrad Davis - LB, Florida
21. Jabrill Peppers - S, Michigan
22. Garett Bolles - OT, Utah
23. Mike Williams - WR, Clemson
24. Takkarist McKinley - DE, UCLA

Foster and Davis at ILB. Barnett, Harris or McKinley at OLB. Conley at CB. Peppers at S. We are going to get an impact defender.

2-14 (#46):
37. Haason Reddick - DE, Temple
38. Marcus Williams - S, Utah
39. Josh Jones - S, N.C. State
40. Jordan Willis - DE, Kansas St.
41. Forrest Lamp - G, Western Kentucky
42. Taco Charlton - DE, Michigan
43. Marlon Humphrey - CB, Alabama
44. Marcus Maye - S, Florida
45. Malik McDowell - DT, Michigan State
46. Zach Cunningham - LB, Vanderbilt
47. Tim Williams - LB, Alabama
48. Chris Wormley - DE, Michigan
49. Ryan Anderson - OLB, Alabama
50. Dan Feeney - OL, Indiana
51. Chris Godwin, WR, Penn State
52. Pat Elflein, C, Ohio State
53. Justin Evans, S, Texas A&M
54. Ethan Pocic, C, LSU
55. Budda Baker, S, Washington

Humphrey at CB, Cunningham at ILB, Charlton, Williams, Wormley, Anderson at OLB. Baker at S. All good choices.

3-16 (#80):
71. Dalvin Tomlinson, DT, Alabama
72. Raekwon McMillan, LB, Ohio State
73. Jordan Leggett, TE, Clemson
74. Dawuane Smoot, DE, Illinois
75. Josh Malone, WR, Tennessee
76. Carl Lawson, DE, Auburn
77. Duke Riley, OLB, LSU
78. Alvin Kamara, RB, Tennessee
79. Sidney Jones, CB, Washington
80. Brian Hill, RB, Wyoming
81. Davis Webb, QB, Cal
82. Joshua Dobbs, QB, Tennessee
83. Isaac Asiata, OG, Utah
84. Cam Sutton, CB, Tennessee
85. Zach Banner, OT, USC
86. Jeremy Sprinkle, TE, Arkansas
87. D'Onta Foreman, RB, Texas
88. Josh Reynolds, WR, Texas A&M
89. Vince Biegel, LB, Wisconsin

Some solid CBs in Jones and Sutton. I don't hate Duke Riley at OLB but I don't think he is much impact. McMillian at ILB is solid. Lots of, ehhhhhh in this list.

4-15 (#121):
112. Brad Kaaya, QB, Miami
113. John Johnson, S, Boston College
114. Kendell Beckwith, ILB, LSU
115. KD Cannon, WR, Baylor
116. Kenny Golladay, WR, Northern Illinois
117. Jake Butt, TE, Michigan
118. Danny Isidora, OG, Miami
119. Adam Shaheen, TE, Ashland
120. Cordrea Tankersley, CB, Clemson
121. Carlos Watkins, DT, Clemson
122. Montravius Adams, DT, Auburn
123. Carlos Henderson, WR-KR, Louisiana Tech
124. Amara Darboh, WR, Michigan
125. Anthony Walker, LB, Northwestern
126. Tarell Basham, DE, Ohio
127. Taywan Taylor, WR, Western Kentucky
128. Derek Rivers, DE, Youngstown St.
129. Donnel Pumphrey, RB, San Diego St.
130. Antonio Garcia, OT, Troy

Tankersley would be fantastic to get in the 4th. I like Tarell Basham as a developmental pass rusher. Pumphrey would be a pretty good RB2 in the 4th. I am sure some of the D-Line guys could help out.

4-31 (#137):
126. Tarell Basham, DE, Ohio
127. Taywan Taylor, WR, Western Kentucky
128. Derek Rivers, DE, Youngstown St.
129. Donnel Pumphrey, RB, San Diego St.
130. Antonio Garcia, OT, Troy
131. Howard Wilson, CB, Houston
132. Kareem Hunt, RB, Toledo
133. Jehu Chesson, WR, Michigan
134. Jessamen Dunker, OG, Tennessee St.
135. Fadol Brown, DE, Ole Miss
136. Collin Buchanan, OT, Miami (Ohio)
137. Avery Gennesy, OT, Texas A&M
138. Larry Ogunjobi, OT, UNC-Charlotte
139. Jonnu Smith, TE, Florida International
140. Shelton Gibson, WR, West Virginia
141. Jeremy McNichols, RB, Boise St.
142. Mack Hollins, WR, North Carolina
143. Tarik Cohen, RB-KR, North Carolina A&T
144. Jalen Myrick, CB, Minnesota
145. Zane Gonzalez, K, Arizona State
146. Brandon Barnes, TE, Alabama St.

4-38 (#144):
135. Fadol Brown, DE, Ole Miss
136. Collin Buchanan, OT, Miami (Ohio)
137. Avery Gennesy, OT, Texas A&M
138. Larry Ogunjobi, OT, UNC-Charlotte
139. Jonnu Smith, TE, Florida International
140. Shelton Gibson, WR, West Virginia
141. Jeremy McNichols, RB, Boise St.
142. Mack Hollins, WR, North Carolina
143. Tarik Cohen, RB-KR, North Carolina A&T
144. Jalen Myrick, CB, Minnesota
145. Zane Gonzalez, K, Arizona State
146. Brandon Barnes, TE, Alabama St.
147. Ben Gedeon, ILB, Michigan
148. Ahkello Witherspoon, CB, Colorado
149. C.J. Beathard, QB, Iowa
150. Deatrich Wise, DE, Arkansas

Witherspoon is one of my "sleepers" at CB; I like his game. Jonnu Smith is an ideal TE3; he needs some technique coaching but has great physical traits and a lot of college experience. Some of the RB options are solid if we have not selected one by now.



Anyway, just some more food for thought as to the candidates whom might be available with our top picks. From a guy who gets those lists 75% right.

Cheers,

sherck 04-18-2017 09:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 9871)
We do also already have a TE3, special teams guy in Brandon Williams on the roster.

Not a priority, I would agree, IMO.
For a team who ran 2 TE sets more than any other team in the NFL last year?

You are good with Williams being one of those options if either Doyle or Swoope get hurt? Or HAVING to play 3WR sets all the time?

Personally, I would want a better option than Brandon Williams playing depth TE.

Cheers,

Puck 04-18-2017 10:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sherck (Post 9876)
So, some spare time on my hands......

Gil Brandt writes this in his "Top 150 Draft Prospects" article this week on NFL.com

So, he has been doing this a LONG time. I decided to go back and look to see how accurate his ranking have been to where the player ended up being drafted.

I will not bore you with the spreadsheets but I looked at his last six years and analyzed the top 100 prospects. I noted where he said they ranked and where they ended up being drafted. Long story short:

-- Brandt is accurate in picking a players draft slot within 10 slots either way 75% of the time.

That means that if he ranks a guy as the #25 ranked guys, that 3 out of 4 times, that guy will be selected between 16 and 34. This is pretty easy to do at the top of the draft but get progressively harder when down in the 30s and 40s much less the 70s and 80s; however, Brandt still does a good job done there.

That 75% number accounts for a lot of factors, most notably player injury and QB jumping, that lower that percentage. I thought that was a pretty accurate percentage over six draft classes.

So, for our purposes, what does that mean? Players within 10 spots of our 2017 draft picks:

1-15 (#15):
06. Malik Hooker - S, Ohio State
07. Jonathan Allen - DT, Alabama
08. Mitchell Trubisky - QB, North Carolina
09. Deshaun Watson - QB, Clemson
10. John Ross - WR, Washington
11. Gareon Conley - CB, Ohio State
12. Christian McCaffrey - RB, Stanford
13. O.J. Howard - TE, Alabama
14. Reuben Foster - LB, Alabama
15. Cam Robinson - OT, Alabama
16. Derek Barnett - DE, Tennessee
17. Charles Harris - DE, Missouri
18. Parick Mahomes - QB, Texas Tech
19. Ryan Ramczyk - OT, Wisconsin
20. Jarrad Davis - LB, Florida
21. Jabrill Peppers - S, Michigan
22. Garett Bolles - OT, Utah
23. Mike Williams - WR, Clemson
24. Takkarist McKinley - DE, UCLA

Foster and Davis at ILB. Barnett, Harris or McKinley at OLB. Conley at CB. Peppers at S. We are going to get an impact defender.

2-14 (#46):
37. Haason Reddick - DE, Temple
38. Marcus Williams - S, Utah
39. Josh Jones - S, N.C. State
40. Jordan Willis - DE, Kansas St.
41. Forrest Lamp - G, Western Kentucky
42. Taco Charlton - DE, Michigan
43. Marlon Humphrey - CB, Alabama
44. Marcus Maye - S, Florida
45. Malik McDowell - DT, Michigan State
46. Zach Cunningham - LB, Vanderbilt
47. Tim Williams - LB, Alabama
48. Chris Wormley - DE, Michigan
49. Ryan Anderson - OLB, Alabama
50. Dan Feeney - OL, Indiana
51. Chris Godwin, WR, Penn State
52. Pat Elflein, C, Ohio State
53. Justin Evans, S, Texas A&M
54. Ethan Pocic, C, LSU
55. Budda Baker, S, Washington

Humphrey at CB, Cunningham at ILB, Charlton, Williams, Wormley, Anderson at OLB. Baker at S. All good choices.

3-16 (#80):
71. Dalvin Tomlinson, DT, Alabama
72. Raekwon McMillan, LB, Ohio State
73. Jordan Leggett, TE, Clemson
74. Dawuane Smoot, DE, Illinois
75. Josh Malone, WR, Tennessee
76. Carl Lawson, DE, Auburn
77. Duke Riley, OLB, LSU
78. Alvin Kamara, RB, Tennessee
79. Sidney Jones, CB, Washington
80. Brian Hill, RB, Wyoming
81. Davis Webb, QB, Cal
82. Joshua Dobbs, QB, Tennessee
83. Isaac Asiata, OG, Utah
84. Cam Sutton, CB, Tennessee
85. Zach Banner, OT, USC
86. Jeremy Sprinkle, TE, Arkansas
87. D'Onta Foreman, RB, Texas
88. Josh Reynolds, WR, Texas A&M
89. Vince Biegel, LB, Wisconsin

Some solid CBs in Jones and Sutton. I don't hate Duke Riley at OLB but I don't think he is much impact. McMillian at ILB is solid. Lots of, ehhhhhh in this list.

4-15 (#121):
112. Brad Kaaya, QB, Miami
113. John Johnson, S, Boston College
114. Kendell Beckwith, ILB, LSU
115. KD Cannon, WR, Baylor
116. Kenny Golladay, WR, Northern Illinois
117. Jake Butt, TE, Michigan
118. Danny Isidora, OG, Miami
119. Adam Shaheen, TE, Ashland
120. Cordrea Tankersley, CB, Clemson
121. Carlos Watkins, DT, Clemson
122. Montravius Adams, DT, Auburn
123. Carlos Henderson, WR-KR, Louisiana Tech
124. Amara Darboh, WR, Michigan
125. Anthony Walker, LB, Northwestern
126. Tarell Basham, DE, Ohio
127. Taywan Taylor, WR, Western Kentucky
128. Derek Rivers, DE, Youngstown St.
129. Donnel Pumphrey, RB, San Diego St.
130. Antonio Garcia, OT, Troy

Tankersley would be fantastic to get in the 4th. I like Tarell Basham as a developmental pass rusher. Pumphrey would be a pretty good RB2 in the 4th. I am sure some of the D-Line guys could help out.

4-31 (#137):
126. Tarell Basham, DE, Ohio
127. Taywan Taylor, WR, Western Kentucky
128. Derek Rivers, DE, Youngstown St.
129. Donnel Pumphrey, RB, San Diego St.
130. Antonio Garcia, OT, Troy
131. Howard Wilson, CB, Houston
132. Kareem Hunt, RB, Toledo
133. Jehu Chesson, WR, Michigan
134. Jessamen Dunker, OG, Tennessee St.
135. Fadol Brown, DE, Ole Miss
136. Collin Buchanan, OT, Miami (Ohio)
137. Avery Gennesy, OT, Texas A&M
138. Larry Ogunjobi, OT, UNC-Charlotte
139. Jonnu Smith, TE, Florida International
140. Shelton Gibson, WR, West Virginia
141. Jeremy McNichols, RB, Boise St.
142. Mack Hollins, WR, North Carolina
143. Tarik Cohen, RB-KR, North Carolina A&T
144. Jalen Myrick, CB, Minnesota
145. Zane Gonzalez, K, Arizona State
146. Brandon Barnes, TE, Alabama St.

4-38 (#144):
135. Fadol Brown, DE, Ole Miss
136. Collin Buchanan, OT, Miami (Ohio)
137. Avery Gennesy, OT, Texas A&M
138. Larry Ogunjobi, OT, UNC-Charlotte
139. Jonnu Smith, TE, Florida International
140. Shelton Gibson, WR, West Virginia
141. Jeremy McNichols, RB, Boise St.
142. Mack Hollins, WR, North Carolina
143. Tarik Cohen, RB-KR, North Carolina A&T
144. Jalen Myrick, CB, Minnesota
145. Zane Gonzalez, K, Arizona State
146. Brandon Barnes, TE, Alabama St.
147. Ben Gedeon, ILB, Michigan
148. Ahkello Witherspoon, CB, Colorado
149. C.J. Beathard, QB, Iowa
150. Deatrich Wise, DE, Arkansas

Witherspoon is one of my "sleepers" at CB; I like his game. Jonnu Smith is an ideal TE3; he needs some technique coaching but has great physical traits and a lot of college experience. Some of the RB options are solid if we have not selected one by now.



Anyway, just some more food for thought as to the candidates whom might be available with our top picks. From a guy who gets those lists 75% right.

Cheers,
So you're saying that 75% of the time he was right every time!!

Coltsalr 04-18-2017 11:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sherck (Post 9877)
For a team who ran 2 TE sets more than any other team in the NFL last year?

You are good with Williams being one of those options if either Doyle or Swoope get hurt? Or HAVING to play 3WR sets all the time?

Personally, I would want a better option than Brandon Williams playing depth TE.

Cheers,
I would prefer that we run more 3/4 WR sets, given the relative amount of investment that we have in our WR's versus our TE's. If a lack of talent is the only way to force their hands into common sense, so be it I suppose, but I would agree that getting another guy is ideal.

I do tend to believe that the relative talent dropoff and its implications that if we stay talent depleted at certain positions on defense would hurt us more than having Brandon Williams as TE3.

Dam8610 04-18-2017 01:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sherck (Post 9876)
So, some spare time on my hands......

Gil Brandt writes this in his "Top 150 Draft Prospects" article this week on NFL.com

So, he has been doing this a LONG time. I decided to go back and look to see how accurate his ranking have been to where the player ended up being drafted.

I will not bore you with the spreadsheets but I looked at his last six years and analyzed the top 100 prospects. I noted where he said they ranked and where they ended up being drafted. Long story short:

-- Brandt is accurate in picking a players draft slot within 10 slots either way 75% of the time.

That means that if he ranks a guy as the #25 ranked guys, that 3 out of 4 times, that guy will be selected between 16 and 34. This is pretty easy to do at the top of the draft but get progressively harder when down in the 30s and 40s much less the 70s and 80s; however, Brandt still does a good job done there.

That 75% number accounts for a lot of factors, most notably player injury and QB jumping, that lower that percentage. I thought that was a pretty accurate percentage over six draft classes.

So, for our purposes, what does that mean? Players within 10 spots of our 2017 draft picks:

1-15 (#15):
06. Malik Hooker - S, Ohio State
07. Jonathan Allen - DT, Alabama
08. Mitchell Trubisky - QB, North Carolina
09. Deshaun Watson - QB, Clemson
10. John Ross - WR, Washington
11. Gareon Conley - CB, Ohio State
12. Christian McCaffrey - RB, Stanford
13. O.J. Howard - TE, Alabama
14. Reuben Foster - LB, Alabama
15. Cam Robinson - OT, Alabama
16. Derek Barnett - DE, Tennessee
17. Charles Harris - DE, Missouri
18. Parick Mahomes - QB, Texas Tech
19. Ryan Ramczyk - OT, Wisconsin
20. Jarrad Davis - LB, Florida
21. Jabrill Peppers - S, Michigan
22. Garett Bolles - OT, Utah
23. Mike Williams - WR, Clemson
24. Takkarist McKinley - DE, UCLA

Foster and Davis at ILB. Barnett, Harris or McKinley at OLB. Conley at CB. Peppers at S. We are going to get an impact defender.

2-14 (#46):
37. Haason Reddick - DE, Temple
38. Marcus Williams - S, Utah
39. Josh Jones - S, N.C. State
40. Jordan Willis - DE, Kansas St.
41. Forrest Lamp - G, Western Kentucky
42. Taco Charlton - DE, Michigan
43. Marlon Humphrey - CB, Alabama
44. Marcus Maye - S, Florida
45. Malik McDowell - DT, Michigan State
46. Zach Cunningham - LB, Vanderbilt
47. Tim Williams - LB, Alabama
48. Chris Wormley - DE, Michigan
49. Ryan Anderson - OLB, Alabama
50. Dan Feeney - OL, Indiana
51. Chris Godwin, WR, Penn State
52. Pat Elflein, C, Ohio State
53. Justin Evans, S, Texas A&M
54. Ethan Pocic, C, LSU
55. Budda Baker, S, Washington

Humphrey at CB, Cunningham at ILB, Charlton, Williams, Wormley, Anderson at OLB. Baker at S. All good choices.

3-16 (#80):
71. Dalvin Tomlinson, DT, Alabama
72. Raekwon McMillan, LB, Ohio State
73. Jordan Leggett, TE, Clemson
74. Dawuane Smoot, DE, Illinois
75. Josh Malone, WR, Tennessee
76. Carl Lawson, DE, Auburn
77. Duke Riley, OLB, LSU
78. Alvin Kamara, RB, Tennessee
79. Sidney Jones, CB, Washington
80. Brian Hill, RB, Wyoming
81. Davis Webb, QB, Cal
82. Joshua Dobbs, QB, Tennessee
83. Isaac Asiata, OG, Utah
84. Cam Sutton, CB, Tennessee
85. Zach Banner, OT, USC
86. Jeremy Sprinkle, TE, Arkansas
87. D'Onta Foreman, RB, Texas
88. Josh Reynolds, WR, Texas A&M
89. Vince Biegel, LB, Wisconsin

Some solid CBs in Jones and Sutton. I don't hate Duke Riley at OLB but I don't think he is much impact. McMillian at ILB is solid. Lots of, ehhhhhh in this list.

4-15 (#121):
112. Brad Kaaya, QB, Miami
113. John Johnson, S, Boston College
114. Kendell Beckwith, ILB, LSU
115. KD Cannon, WR, Baylor
116. Kenny Golladay, WR, Northern Illinois
117. Jake Butt, TE, Michigan
118. Danny Isidora, OG, Miami
119. Adam Shaheen, TE, Ashland
120. Cordrea Tankersley, CB, Clemson
121. Carlos Watkins, DT, Clemson
122. Montravius Adams, DT, Auburn
123. Carlos Henderson, WR-KR, Louisiana Tech
124. Amara Darboh, WR, Michigan
125. Anthony Walker, LB, Northwestern
126. Tarell Basham, DE, Ohio
127. Taywan Taylor, WR, Western Kentucky
128. Derek Rivers, DE, Youngstown St.
129. Donnel Pumphrey, RB, San Diego St.
130. Antonio Garcia, OT, Troy

Tankersley would be fantastic to get in the 4th. I like Tarell Basham as a developmental pass rusher. Pumphrey would be a pretty good RB2 in the 4th. I am sure some of the D-Line guys could help out.

4-31 (#137):
126. Tarell Basham, DE, Ohio
127. Taywan Taylor, WR, Western Kentucky
128. Derek Rivers, DE, Youngstown St.
129. Donnel Pumphrey, RB, San Diego St.
130. Antonio Garcia, OT, Troy
131. Howard Wilson, CB, Houston
132. Kareem Hunt, RB, Toledo
133. Jehu Chesson, WR, Michigan
134. Jessamen Dunker, OG, Tennessee St.
135. Fadol Brown, DE, Ole Miss
136. Collin Buchanan, OT, Miami (Ohio)
137. Avery Gennesy, OT, Texas A&M
138. Larry Ogunjobi, OT, UNC-Charlotte
139. Jonnu Smith, TE, Florida International
140. Shelton Gibson, WR, West Virginia
141. Jeremy McNichols, RB, Boise St.
142. Mack Hollins, WR, North Carolina
143. Tarik Cohen, RB-KR, North Carolina A&T
144. Jalen Myrick, CB, Minnesota
145. Zane Gonzalez, K, Arizona State
146. Brandon Barnes, TE, Alabama St.

4-38 (#144):
135. Fadol Brown, DE, Ole Miss
136. Collin Buchanan, OT, Miami (Ohio)
137. Avery Gennesy, OT, Texas A&M
138. Larry Ogunjobi, OT, UNC-Charlotte
139. Jonnu Smith, TE, Florida International
140. Shelton Gibson, WR, West Virginia
141. Jeremy McNichols, RB, Boise St.
142. Mack Hollins, WR, North Carolina
143. Tarik Cohen, RB-KR, North Carolina A&T
144. Jalen Myrick, CB, Minnesota
145. Zane Gonzalez, K, Arizona State
146. Brandon Barnes, TE, Alabama St.
147. Ben Gedeon, ILB, Michigan
148. Ahkello Witherspoon, CB, Colorado
149. C.J. Beathard, QB, Iowa
150. Deatrich Wise, DE, Arkansas

Witherspoon is one of my "sleepers" at CB; I like his game. Jonnu Smith is an ideal TE3; he needs some technique coaching but has great physical traits and a lot of college experience. Some of the RB options are solid if we have not selected one by now.



Anyway, just some more food for thought as to the candidates whom might be available with our top picks. From a guy who gets those lists 75% right.

Cheers,

On those lists, give me:

15) Reuben Foster
46) Haason Reddick
80) Raekwon McMillan/Carl Lawson
121) Cordrea Tankersley
137) Jeremy McNichols

And I'm happy. Don't really care what the last one is at that point.

VeveJones007 04-18-2017 01:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 9906)
On those lists, give me:

15) Reuben Foster
46) Haason Reddick
80) Raekwon McMillan/Carl Lawson
121) Cordrea Tankersley
137) Jeremy McNichols

And I'm happy. Don't really care what the last one is at that point.
Only quibble is that they should take Sidney Jones at 3.15. Can't pass up a 1st round talent there.

Dam8610 04-18-2017 03:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 9907)
Only quibble is that they should take Sidney Jones at 3.15. Can't pass up a 1st round talent there.
If you then replace Tankersley with Walker, I'm still very happy.

Coltsalr 04-18-2017 03:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 9906)
On those lists, give me:

15) Reuben Foster
46) Haason Reddick
80) Raekwon McMillan/Carl Lawson
121) Cordrea Tankersley
137) Jeremy McNichols

And I'm happy. Don't really care what the last one is at that point.
No chance Haason Reddick falls to #46 (hell, he could go before us at #15, to be honest, but damn would that be great).

And while I'm beating the ILB drum to literal death, if we got both Foster and Reddick, then McMillian would be overkill (I don't JUST say that just because McMillian does nothing for me). At that point, Lawson would be the no-brainer of the two, IMO.

Spike 04-18-2017 04:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by natagu23 (Post 9872)
Trade back. Pick up more picks and draft Lamp.

Problem solved.

Im beginning to think we're in no mans land at 15 anyways.

Btw, we may have Lamp ranked higher on our draft boards like you mentioned. That Alabama tape doesnt lie.
Trading back and still getting Lamp would be a dream scenario. 5 fucking years of ineptitude at building up the offensive line when you have a franchise QB is criminal. Getting Kelly last year was a God send and a no-brainer in my opinion, didn't really care were his projected value was. Luck is in a fucking sling right now because our offensive line has been a sieve.

apballin 04-18-2017 06:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike (Post 9937)
Trading back and still getting Lamp would be a dream scenario. 5 fucking years of ineptitude at building up the offensive line when you have a franchise QB is criminal. Getting Kelly last year was a God send and a no-brainer in my opinion, didn't really care were his projected value was. Luck is in a fucking sling right now because our offensive line has been a sieve.
Fuck yes!!! I want Luck to have a great blue wall in front of him similar to what the cowboys built let him just stand back there for 8seconds untouched. He likes to hold it and make a play well let's make that motherfucker comfy back there

apballin 04-18-2017 06:41 PM
And then fuck it Pagano can have Gore call up Patrick Willis and tell him we need a MLB

omahacolt 04-18-2017 06:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sherck (Post 9877)
For a team who ran 2 TE sets more than any other team in the NFL last year?

You are good with Williams being one of those options if either Doyle or Swoope get hurt? Or HAVING to play 3WR sets all the time?

Personally, I would want a better option than Brandon Williams playing depth TE.

Cheers,
you absolutely play 3 wr sets more. it wouldn't be all the time. hell we should run 3 wr sets the majority of the time anyway.

we are in dire need of defensive back depth and linebacker depth. there will be talent still in the 4th. using a 4th on a te 3 is not a very good use of your picks.

Puck 04-18-2017 07:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 9950)
you absolutely play 3 wr sets more. it wouldn't be all the time. hell we should run 3 wr sets the majority of the time anyway.

we are in dire need of defensive back depth and linebacker depth. there will be talent still in the 4th. using a 4th on a te 3 is not a very good use of your picks.
DEPTH????? How about a starter?? Hell we don't even have a nickle cb

Melvin is depth. I'm not sure Mitchell is a nickle or more outside depth

VeveJones007 04-18-2017 08:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by apballin (Post 9946)
Fuck yes!!! I want Luck to have a great blue wall in front of him similar to what the cowboys built let him just stand back there for 8seconds untouched. He likes to hold it and make a play well let's make that motherfucker comfy back there
How many titles have the Cowboys won with that line?

Spike 04-18-2017 08:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 9956)
How many titles have the Cowboys won with that line?
The Cowboys don't have a franchise QB, the Colts do. Protect 12 and the titles will come.

Coltsalr 04-18-2017 09:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 9956)
How many titles have the Cowboys won with that line?
More division titles than the Colts these past few years, depressingly enough.

apballin 04-18-2017 09:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 9956)
How many titles have the Cowboys won with that line?
Theyre defense was worse than the Colts last season and they were on the brink of an nfc title game with a rookie qb because he never got touched back there

And as you know we play 6 games vs JJ Watt, Clowney, Calais Campbell, Jerrell casey all of whom have been beating up our qb since he's been in the nfl because our line couldn't touch them

nate505 04-18-2017 09:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 9806)
---SCUTTLEBUTT---

saw on TV that mccaffrey has declined all private workouts and that a team in the teens has guaranteed him they will draft him if he is still there....

we draft in the teens, right?
The aforementioned scuttlebutt around here is that Denver wants him (being a local kid and all) and would trade up to 14 or 15 to get him.

Not that I believe any of this, but what is the good value for trading down to 21 (I think)? An extra 3rd rounder or so?

EDIT: Ok, so apparently they make a chart for this sort of stuff. According to the chart it would be a mid 3rd rounder. I wouldn't be upset, but would rather have the better player with the first round pick. Mostly because it feels like the Colts historically have been snake bitten with 3rd round picks, other than the year they got TY and Allen in the 3rd round. That was a home run of a 3rd round. Moncrief and Henry Anderson were good picks too, so I guess recently they were better at it. But looking at a list of 3rd round Colt players from 2000 on...yikes.

Indiana V2 04-19-2017 06:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nate505 (Post 9962)
The aforementioned scuttlebutt around here is that Denver wants him (being a local kid and all) and would trade up to 14 or 15 to get him.

Not that I believe any of this, but what is the good value for trading down to 21 (I think)? An extra 3rd rounder or so?

EDIT: Ok, so apparently they make a chart for this sort of stuff. According to the chart it would be a mid 3rd rounder. I wouldn't be upset, but would rather have the better player with the first round pick. Mostly because it feels like the Colts historically have been snake bitten with 3rd round picks, other than the year they got TY and Allen in the 3rd round. That was a home run of a 3rd round. Moncrief and Henry Anderson were good picks too, so I guess recently they were better at it. But looking at a list of 3rd round Colt players from 2000 on...yikes.
I would absolutely trade down in the first to acquire another third.

FatDT 04-19-2017 08:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Indiana V2 (Post 9973)
I would absolutely trade down in the first to acquire another third.
It would have to depend on who is there at 15.

sherck 04-19-2017 08:32 AM
My Work Mock Draft

Interesting experience this week. A guy at my work (around 3,000 in the building) got 32 folks together over lunch on Monday - Wednesday (with a lot of e-mails in between) who were fans of all 32 teams and we did a live, in-person mock draft. I had not done something like this in over 15 years since I last participated in an in-person fantasy football league.

I went in armed with what I perceived as the Colts team needs (CB, ILB, OLB[Rush] as starters as well as RB, TE, D-Line and Safety depth. I also went in with a combo of Gil Brandt’s Hot 150 list, PFF Big Board list and Walter Football’s positional ranking list.

Trades were not allowed since the complexity of that would have just thrown everything into a hot mess.

The top of the 1st round went just about how everyone expected except look who fell to the Colts at 1-15:

Quote:
ILB Reuben Foster, Alabama
Foster is a vicious hitter with elite playmaking range and an ability to toggle between 225 and 240 pounds. Athleticism gives him cover ability that former teammate Reggie Ragland never possessed. Has Pro Bowl potential as a 3-4 inside linebacker or a 4-3 weak-side linebacker, but concerns over his medical history could be a consideration, according to some teams.
The 2nd round started with a surprise with RB Joe Mixon going with the first pick to CLE (who picked Trubisky #1 overall and Malik Hooker with the 1-12 pick). OLB Tim Williams went 2 picks prior to us to BUF relieving me of the burden of trying to decide if his potential off-field issues were too great for the Colts to take and I was faced with the choices of: CB Quincy Jones, S Budda Baker, DE/OLB Tarell Basham or CB Cordea Tankersley. I ended up picking with the #46 overall pick:

Quote:
CB Cordea Tankersley, Clemson
Has an impressive body of work as a lockdown, boundary cornerback but he has some holes in his transitions that could open the door for more separation on the next level. While he's not always the most fluid in coverage, his 6-foot-1 frame and eight interceptions will be the two numbers some teams will focus heavily on. If he runs well at pre-draft workouts, his stock could soar thanks to his size and production.
The 3rd round was embarrassing because there was an absolute feast of folks available that I thought would go much higher. A real run started on offensive specialty players in the 2nd round continuing into the 3rd round that pushed some defensive folks on down the list. My choices were between: OLB Devonte Fields, CB Ahkello Witherspoon, OLB Duke Riley, CB Teez Tabor and CB Shaquill Griffin. I really wanted to go OLB here because our pass rush, while better on paper than in 2016, still needs help. However, I did not like the skill sets of Fields or Riley as much as I liked at #80 overall:

Quote:
CB Teez Tabor, Florida
Tabor has terrific size and quickness, but his pedestrian 40 times at both the combine and his pro day workout are hard to ignore. While he has some lapses in judgement and awareness in coverage, his nine career interceptions didn't happen by accident. Tabor can pattern match around the field, but he may need safety help over the top if he's playing on the outside. If he's going to be a zone corner, he'll have to do a better job of tackling. Tabor looks like a second day pick.
The 4th round was where I hoped to find some help at immediate depth folks and I was not disappointed. Still a lot of good folks available. For the #121 pick, I possibly picked him a bit high but my hope for pass rush and his athleticism and production (at a small school) just married up and I could not ignore him. After the pick, the Cheats fan who was picking (the friend that I reference occasionally), indicated that he was planning on picking him with his #131 pick so that made me feel better:

Quote:
OLB Trey Hendrickson, Florida Atlantic
More of a second-effort sack man than a quick-win specialist, but he did show some edge rushing ability at the Shrine Game practices that didn't flash as often on tape. His lack of length on the edge will be a turnoff for some, but he flashes enough to warrant a third-day draft selection as a backup 4-3 defensive end who could continue to develop as a rusher with additional work.
The #137 pick ended up being the spot where I sort of had some wildcard choices. My “highest” rated guys left on the board included: S John Johnson, Boston College, S Montae Nichoson, Michigan State, OG Nico Siragusa, San Diego State, WR Mack Hollins, North Carolina and ILB Ben Boulware, Clemson. I wanted to take Siragusa because of the name (no relationship to Tony) but, in the end picked:

Quote:
FS John Johnson, Boston College
Ascending defender with the experience, athleticism and ball skills to play as a high safety or in man coverage. Johnson is well above average as a ball-tracker and has the soft hands to finish at the catch-point against receivers. He has decent size but won't be a banger as a tackler, however, his ability in coverage has NFL personnel men buzzing as a potential early starter in the league.
With the last pick of the 4th round, the sweet spot for RB had arrived. My choices? Brian Hill, Wyoming, Corey Clement, Wisconsin, Wayne Gallman, Clemson, Joe Williams, Utah or James Conner, Pittsburgh. My choice?

Quote:
RB Brian Hill, Utah
A well-rounded running back, Hill is a stout downhill runner who became one of the most productive runners that Wyoming has ever seen. Hill’s production comes from the running back’s great vision and balance. A quick decision maker, Hill channels his way through blockers to consistently pick up tough yardage. Being over six feet and 210-pounds, Hill also carries a variety of power moves that he can use to get tough yardage. Hill does not avoid contact and will drive through defenders in the open field. A plus in pass protection, the Wyoming product has the vision and intangibles that many teams will want to add to their roster. Hill may never be a face of the franchise type back but being a serviceable starter is not out of the question.
And finally our 5th round choice came around. My highest rated players left on my board were: TE Michael Roberts, Toledo, OT Dan Skipper, Arkansas, WR Amara Darboh, Michigan, OT Collin Buchanan, Miami (OH), TE George Kittle, Iowa and WR Deangelo Yancey, Purdue. It was a hard choice between Dan Skipper, Michael Roberts or Amara Darboh but in the end, I picked:

Quote:
OT Dan Skipper, Arkansas
Size will be appealing to some NFL teams as will his experience at both tackle positions. His experience in Arkansas' physical rushing attack should work in his favor, but he lacks the sand in his pants to consistently match power with power against bigger, NFL-caliber talent at the point of attack. The same height that will intrigue some teams might ultimately rob Skipper of the necessary leverage he needs at the next level. Could project as a third-day (Rounds 4-7) swing tackle prospect who will have to battle to win a roster spot.
Skipper will battle the likes of Haeg, Good and Cooper for depth OT spot.

There you have it, Freaks. I was pretty surprised as some of the picks who were still available and hope that the defensive depth of this draft class affords Ballard the same quantity of quality choices in a week. Fun exercise.

Cheers,

Coltsalr 04-19-2017 08:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nate505 (Post 9962)
The aforementioned scuttlebutt around here is that Denver wants him (being a local kid and all) and would trade up to 14 or 15 to get him.

Not that I believe any of this, but what is the good value for trading down to 21 (I think)? An extra 3rd rounder or so?

EDIT: Ok, so apparently they make a chart for this sort of stuff. According to the chart it would be a mid 3rd rounder. I wouldn't be upset, but would rather have the better player with the first round pick. Mostly because it feels like the Colts historically have been snake bitten with 3rd round picks, other than the year they got TY and Allen in the 3rd round. That was a home run of a 3rd round. Moncrief and Henry Anderson were good picks too, so I guess recently they were better at it. But looking at a list of 3rd round Colt players from 2000 on...yikes.
I'd rather trade down to where the Chiefs are at #27. At that point, our #15 would be worth both their 1st and 2nd. I wonder if Ballard would be able to hook that up with his old buddies, particularly if the Chiefs want a quarterback, trading up is what you usually have to do in order to get your guy.

smitty46953 04-19-2017 09:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sherck (Post 9984)
My Work Mock Draft

Interesting experience this week. A guy at my work (around 3,000 in the building) got 32 folks together over lunch on Monday - Wednesday (with a lot of e-mails in between) who were fans of all 32 teams and we did a live, in-person mock draft. I had not done something like this in over 15 years since I last participated in an in-person fantasy football league.

I went in armed with what I perceived as the Colts team needs (CB, ILB, OLB[Rush] as starters as well as RB, TE, D-Line and Safety depth. I also went in with a combo of Gil Brandt’s Hot 150 list, PFF Big Board list and Walter Football’s positional ranking list.

Trades were not allowed since the complexity of that would have just thrown everything into a hot mess.

...

There you have it, Freaks. I was pretty surprised as some of the picks who were still available and hope that the defensive depth of this draft class affords Ballard the same quantity of quality choices in a week. Fun exercise.

Cheers,
Looks like fun ... Just curious do you have the complete first couple rounds you can post ?

smitty46953 04-19-2017 11:25 AM
Probably better pass on this guy if available with any of our picks ...

Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon allegedly punched a female while in high school.

The allegation comes from Anthony Hernandez, who says for a "fact" that Mixon hit his daughter when the two were in high school. "He threw my daughter to the ground and hit her," Hernandez said. "I went to the school and they hid him in the office. He got no punishment. The police even came. I was escorted off the campus as if I did something wrong. These are simply the facts, he's a woman beater." Longtime personnel man Gil Brandt said this incident is of concern among NFL teams, in addition to the video of Mixon laying out a girl with a punch at Oklahoma. Mixon could be drafted anywhere from Day 2 to being an UDFA. Apr 19 - 10:19 AM


Source: Profootballtalk on NBC Sports
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/12147/joe-mixon

sherck 04-19-2017 12:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 9988)
Looks like fun ... Just curious do you have the complete first couple rounds you can post ?
1st round live in-person 2017 draft.

Draft Slot / NFL Team / Person Picking / Selection

1-01 / CLE / Tom Harris / QB Mitchell Trubisky, North Carolina
1-02 / SF / Joe McBuckley / DE Myles Garrett, Texas A&M
1-03 / CHI / Zach Carroll / DE Solomon Thomas, Stanford
1-04 / JAX / Pete McAllister / RB Leonard Fournette, LSU
1-05 / TEN / Carol Jennerison / TE O.J. Howard, Alabama
1-06 / NYJ / Terrence Osborne / QB Deshaun Watson, Clemson
1-07 / LAC / Russ Mutch / RB Christian McCaffery, Stanford
1-08 / CAR / Abe Wagner / S Jamal Adams, LSU
1-09 / CIN / Mitch Buttison / DE Jonathan Allen, Alabama
1-10 / BUF / Peter McLaffulan / OT Cam Robinson, Alabama
1-11 / NO / Josh Welton / CB Marshon Lattimore, Ohio State
1-12 / CLE / Tom Harris / S Malik Hooker, Ohio State
1-13 / ARI / Sally Wrightiner / QB Patrick Mahomes, Texas Tech
1-14 / PHI / Jeremy Stackford / WR Mike Williams, Clemson
1-15 / IND / Thad Sherck / ILB Reuben Foster, Alabama
1-16 / BAL / Randy Davis / OLB Derek Barnett, Tennessee
1-17 / WAS / Bob Mitchell / LB Haason Reddick, Temple
1-18 / TEN / Carol Jennerison / WR Corey Davis, Western Michigan
1-19 / TB / Gary Handcock / DE Takkarist McKinley, UCLA
1-20 / DEN / Larry Roddney / S Jabrill Peppers, Michigan
1-21 / DET / Cory Patrick / DE Jordan Willis, Kansas State
1-22 / MIA / Dan McFannish / OT Ryan Ramczyk, Wisconsin
1-23 / NYG / Andy Loswener / OG Forrest Lamp, Western Kentucky
1-24 / OAK / Steve Rotz / TE David Njoku, Miami
1-25 / HOU / Linda Holmes / S Josh Jones, North Carolina State
1-26 / SEA / Ryan Plumber / CB Kevin King, Washington
1-27 / KC / Tony Ryan / RB Davin Cook, FSU
1-28 / DAL / Nathan Pickerton / DE T.J. Watt, Wisconsin
1-29 / GB / Brian Allen / CB Chidobe Awuzie, Colorado
1-30 / PIT / William Johnson / WR John Ross, Washington
1-31 / ATL / Tom Fields / OT Dion Dawkins, Temple
1-32 / NO / Josh Welton / ILB Jarrad Davis, Florida

Some interesting picks in Dawkins, Awuzie, jones and Njoku in the first round but not terrible. Some notable names:

CB Tre’Davious White went #34 overall.
OLB Taco Charleston went #37 overall.
CB Gareon Conley went #39 overall.
OLB Charles Harris went #40 overall.

If trades had been allowed, I would have traded up from #46 to #40 to get Harris (or #39 to get Conley).

It was a fun experience.

Cheers,

VeveJones007 04-19-2017 01:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by apballin (Post 9961)
Theyre defense was worse than the Colts last season and they were on the brink of an nfc title game with a rookie qb because he never got touched back there

And as you know we play 6 games vs JJ Watt, Clowney, Calais Campbell, Jerrell casey all of whom have been beating up our qb since he's been in the nfl because our line couldn't touch them
How many titles have the Cowboys won with that line?

Follow-up questions: What QB did they lose to in the playoffs last year? Is there a comparable QB who you could envision getting in the Colts way in the AFC?


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