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DrSpaceman 01-22-2018 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 52885)
@TomPelissero
#Colts wasting no time. They put in a request tonight to interview #Patriots OC Josh McDaniels a second time, source said. Can’t make hire official until season is over, but he’s their guy (as @RapSheet and I reported last week), so this is an opportunity for planning.

At this point they better hire him.

Otherwise they are wasting a whole lot of time by not having a new coach in place by now with no excuse for it

FatDT 01-22-2018 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DrSpaceman (Post 52924)
At this point they better hire him.

Otherwise they are wasting a whole lot of time by not having a new coach in place by now with no excuse for it

I'm sure this "second interview" is an excuse to get moving on hires and talk about what McD wants to do w/the roster in FA and maybe the draft.

YDFL Commish 01-22-2018 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 52925)
I'm sure this "second interview" is an excuse to get moving on hires and talk about what McD wants to do w/the roster in FA and maybe the draft.

If so, The first words out of McDaniel's mouth, need to be "Chris, please get Kamar Aiken off of my team".

Coltsalr 01-22-2018 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 52928)
If so, The first words out of McDaniel's mouth, need to be "Chris, please get Kamar Aiken off of my team".

Aiken actually did play for the Pats back in 2012.

He only played in one game and didn't record a catch, so I can't imagine McDaniels was overly impressed by him.

DrSpaceman 01-22-2018 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 52928)
If so, The first words out of McDaniel's mouth, need to be "Chris, please get Kamar Aiken off of my team".

And TJ Green should be next.

1965southpaw 01-22-2018 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpaceman (Post 52939)
And TJ Green should be next.


Now, now don't be hasty.....there's still one or two new positions on defense we haven't given him the opportunity to fail at yet. Plenty more wood to chop. :cool:

FatDT 01-22-2018 02:12 PM

I could not care less about Aiken. Just another in a long line of overplayed, disappointing FA WRs in this offense. Hakeem Nicks, Andre Johnson, DHB, Donnie Avery was probably the best of them and he wasn't that great. I don't even know why Ballard signed him, what purpose was he supposed to serve?

I hate wasting a 2nd round pick. I know he probably flat out sucks and can't contribute. But I'd give Green a chance in camp to show something w/the new coaching staff. Special teams gunner, backup safety maybe.

Coltsalr 01-22-2018 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 52978)
I could not care less about Aiken. Just another in a long line of overplayed, disappointing FA WRs in this offense. Hakeem Nicks, Andre Johnson, DHB, Donnie Avery was probably the best of them and he wasn't that great. I don't even know why Ballard signed him, what purpose was he supposed to serve?

I hate wasting a 2nd round pick. I know he probably flat out sucks and can't contribute. But I'd give Green a chance in camp to show something w/the new coaching staff. Special teams gunner, backup safety maybe.

We might be getting the Pats Special Teams coordinator out of this one:

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Faced with the prospect of losing defensive coordinator Matt Patricia to Detroit, offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels to Indianapolis and linebackers coach Brian Flores to Arizona, the New England Patriots' coaching losses may go even deeper.

Patriots special-teams coach Joe Judge also is working on an expiring contract and could leave New England after this season to join one of his fellow departing assistant coaches, league sources told ESPN.

If Judge were to leave New England, it would mean that head coach Bill Belichick could be losing each of his three direct reports on his coaching staff.

Judge has coached with the Patriots since 2011, after working under Nick Saban at Alabama from 2009 to 2011.

Under Judge's talents and direction, the Patriots typically have fielded one of the league's top special-teams units.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...istant-coaches

I guess we'll see if he's closer to McDaniels or Patricia.

apballin 01-22-2018 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 52688)
No the Colts went 1 and done, because their defense could not get the job done in the playoffs. Letting Billy Volek drive the length of the field for the winning TD in '07, giving up 167 yds rushing to the Chargers in '08, letting Mark Sanchez drive the length of the field for the winning FG in '10, while giving up 164 rushing yds.

The '05 team did lose their focus, mainly due to the untimely death of Tony Dungy's son. Also a big contributor to the '07 loss was the fact that Freeney and Mathis did not play in that game, due to injuries.

But lets not let facts get in the way here.

What facts?

The team relied on offense every year and it routinely underperformed in the playoffs that's the fact

My point was the best players get special treatment on every team including the Colts

You can't tell me Peyton and Bob Sanders had the same rules and expectations as everyone else. Bob rarely even practiced but started whenever he was healthy what message does that send to the bum ass safety the coach is telling to go hard in practice because it pays off?

apballin 01-22-2018 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 52929)
Aiken actually did play for the Pats back in 2012.

He only played in one game and didn't record a catch, so I can't imagine McDaniels was overly impressed by him.

We all know what's coming a bunch of jittery 5ft 7 white WR's we already have the goofy white TE.

IndyNorm 01-22-2018 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 53033)
We all know what's coming a bunch of jittery 5ft 7 white WR's we already have the goofy white TE.

Yeah, but our TE is nowhere near the douchebag that theirs is. We'll probably be targeting one in the draft.

YDFL Commish 01-22-2018 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 52929)
Aiken actually did play for the Pats back in 2012.

He only played in one game and didn't record a catch, so I can't imagine McDaniels was overly impressed by him.

I wouldn't be surprised if you DVR'd that game.

Coltsalr 01-22-2018 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 53035)
I wouldn't be surprised if you DVR'd that game.

I was extremely happy over the Ravens beating the Pats in the AFCCG that year but I don’t think I’ve ever rewatched that game.

Racehorse 01-23-2018 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 53032)
What facts?

The team relied on offense every year and it routinely underperformed in the playoffs that's the fact

My point was the best players get special treatment on every team including the Colts

You can't tell me Peyton and Bob Sanders had the same rules and expectations as everyone else. Bob rarely even practiced but started whenever he was healthy what message does that send to the bum ass safety the coach is telling to go hard in practice because it pays off?

I agree! Peyton had the highest expectations. He set them himself. No coach had to hold him to the fire because he held himself to it. He also held the team to it, he and Dungy both.

YDFL Commish 01-23-2018 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 53032)
What facts?

The team relied on offense every year and it routinely underperformed in the playoffs that's the fact

My point was the best players get special treatment on every team including the Colts

You can't tell me Peyton and Bob Sanders had the same rules and expectations as everyone else. Bob rarely even practiced but started whenever he was healthy what message does that send to the bum ass safety the coach is telling to go hard in practice because it pays off?

Did you even read Southpaw's post?

"Bell and others are routinely late for practices"

Others does not imply only the superstar players.

Do you really think that Peyton was ever late for a practice or a meeting?

apballin 01-23-2018 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 53102)
Did you even read Southpaw's post?

"Bell and others are routinely late for practices"

Others does not imply only the superstar players.

Do you really think that Peyton was ever late for a practice or a meeting?

What the fuck???

Obviously Peyton wasn't a slacker I know the dude was a tireless worker the point was special treatment for star players and how it affected teammates that's all. I'm saying it doesn't because these guys have seen it theyre entire life

Butter 01-23-2018 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin
theyre

I really want to consider this a typo, but how.

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Originally Posted by apballin
I'm saying it doesn't because these guys have seen it theyre entire life

I get that you were trying to come up with "their". How did you end up with a botched version of they're which is "they are" and makes no sense, like most of your posts. I am really the last person who should call out others grammar and spelling, but this one is just inexplicable.

rcubed 01-25-2018 04:36 PM

new DL coach???

http://www.news-gazette.com/sports/i...ois-colts.html

anyone know if illinois runs 3-4 or 4-3?

HoosierinFL 01-25-2018 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 53350)
new DL coach???

http://www.news-gazette.com/sports/i...ois-colts.html

anyone know if illinois runs 3-4 or 4-3?

It says he was their DC in 2015, and so I found this game vs Ohio State:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMqWQJmxIVo

They're running a 4-3 (I didn't watch the whole game, just one OSU drive)

edit: of course now that Lovie Smith is their coach, they are definitely still running a 4-3 with Phair as d-line coach instead of DC

YDFL Commish 01-25-2018 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 53350)
new DL coach???

http://www.news-gazette.com/sports/i...ois-colts.html

anyone know if illinois runs 3-4 or 4-3?

Lovie Smith is their coach. That should give you a pretty good idea in what direction this defense is headed.

1965southpaw 01-25-2018 08:19 PM

Just saw Ian Rappaport on NFL total access.....Ballard (who was at the senior bowl in Mobile) just picked up Irsay in Indy and they are flying to Foxboro for a second interview (ie Planning meeting) with Josh McD tomorrow. According to Rapsheet it is "all systems go" for an offer immediately after the superbowl and Friday's meeting is all about planning for the future.

Heard Mike Chappel on JMV this afternoon speculating that they will announce Josh on Monday or Tuesday and in that presser will share that Andrew has been throwing and all is looking good. He speculated that if there had been a setback it surely would have leaked by now and would have likely put a wrinkle in the McDaniels hiring.......of course take this all with a big grain of salt....It is speculation, not reporting.

YDFL Commish 01-25-2018 10:30 PM

On the sign your own front, I say sign AV and Melvin and let the rest test the market.

sherck 01-25-2018 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 53380)
On the sign your own front, I say sign AV and Melvin and let the rest test the market.

I like your thinking. I agree that those 2 are the only Colts free agents that I think we need to lock up prior to the start of free agency.

The others that I would not mind coming back but would probably like, in a perfect world, an upgrade on include Mewhort, Person, Mingo, and Bostic.

I was not as high on Desir as many here so I don't care if he is back.

Everyone else? I hope we can upgrade over them.

Walk Worthy,

DrSpaceman 01-26-2018 12:06 PM

Melvin is the top priority.

Even AV, I would like to have him back, sure, at the right price.

But kickers can be replaced pretty easily in this league.

I doubt he will be commanding top dollar out of market value though and will likely come back

sherck 01-26-2018 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpaceman (Post 53415)
Melvin is the top priority.

Even AV, I would like to have him back, sure, at the right price.

But kickers can be replaced pretty easily in this league.

I doubt he will be commanding top dollar out of market value though and will likely come back

The biggest factor is that AV is only 58 points away from becoming the NFL's career scoring leader. Do you not think that Jim Irsay wants the horseshoe on the side of his helmet when that happens?

It will have been 11 seasons since Morton Andersen retired (2007) after breaking the previous record in 2006 from Gary Anderson (retired in 2004) who took it from George fricking Blanda in 2001. The scoring record was broken twice from 2001 - 2006 and then not again until now. It will be a big deal next year when AV does it and he better have the shoe on when he does so.

Also, behind AV, there is:
Phil Dawson, 1,817 points, 670 points behind, age 42 (not happening)
Sebastian Janikowski, 1,799 points, 688 points behind, age 39
Matt Bryant, 1,624 points, 863 points behind, age 42 (not happening)
Stephen Gostkowski, 1,613 points, 874 points behind, age 33

AV has averaged scoring 126 points per season over his career
SJ has averaged scoring 106 points per season over his career
SG has averaged scoring 134 points per season over his career

If AV kicks in 2018, scores 126 and finishes with 2,613 points:

SJ has to kick until the 2024 season (age 47) at his career average to break the record
SG has to kick until the 2024 season (age 40) at his career average to break the record

So, AV will own the record for probably at least 5-6 seasons before it is broken if either of those gentlemen play that long.

The money does not matter; top paid kicker in the NFL (Gostowski) makes an average of $4.3m per year. Chump change....

So, I think he is a priority re-sign for no other reason than the fan excitement in seeing one of our own earn that kind of NFL record. Even with a new coach, schemes and the return of Luck, you cannot buy fan excitement like seeing one of your guys earn NFL career records.

Walk Worthy,

YDFL Commish 01-26-2018 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrSpaceman (Post 53415)
Melvin is the top priority.

Even AV, I would like to have him back, sure, at the right price.

But kickers can be replaced pretty easily in this league.

I doubt he will be commanding top dollar out of market value though and will likely come back

W/ $80 million, how can you not re-sign AV?

VeveJones007 01-26-2018 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 53430)
W/ $80 million, how can you not re-sign AV?

If he doesn't want to come back?

Racehorse 01-26-2018 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 53428)
The biggest factor is that AV is only 58 points away from becoming the NFL's career scoring leader. Do you not think that Jim Irsay wants the horseshoe on the side of his helmet when that happens?

It will have been 11 seasons since Morton Andersen retired (2007) after breaking the previous record in 2006 from Gary Anderson (retired in 2004) who took it from George fricking Blanda in 2001. The scoring record was broken twice from 2001 - 2006 and then not again until now. It will be a big deal next year when AV does it and he better have the shoe on when he does so.

Also, behind AV, there is:
Phil Dawson, 1,817 points, 670 points behind, age 42 (not happening)
Sebastian Janikowski, 1,799 points, 688 points behind, age 39
Matt Bryant, 1,624 points, 863 points behind, age 42 (not happening)
Stephen Gostkowski, 1,613 points, 874 points behind, age 33

AV has averaged scoring 126 points per season over his career
SJ has averaged scoring 106 points per season over his career
SG has averaged scoring 134 points per season over his career

If AV kicks in 2018, scores 126 and finishes with 2,613 points:

SJ has to kick until the 2024 season (age 47) at his career average to break the record
SG has to kick until the 2024 season (age 40) at his career average to break the record

So, AV will own the record for probably at least 5-6 seasons before it is broken if either of those gentlemen play that long.

The money does not matter; top paid kicker in the NFL (Gostowski) makes an average of $4.3m per year. Chump change....

So, I think he is a priority re-sign for no other reason than the fan excitement in seeing one of our own earn that kind of NFL record. Even with a new coach, schemes and the return of Luck, you cannot buy fan excitement like seeing one of your guys earn NFL career records.

Walk Worthy,

Gost will not score as much when the team dwindles in a couple of years. The only way he will keep those numbers up is if he follows McDaniels to Indy. :D

1965southpaw 01-26-2018 02:10 PM

[QUOTE=sherck;53428]The biggest factor is that AV is only 58 points away from becoming the NFL's career scoring leader. Do you not think that Jim Irsay wants the horseshoe on the side of his helmet when that happens?

I agree that we should do our best to resign AV but it takes two to tango....this may just be negotiating strategy on AV's part but if I'm him I would also do my best to negotiate from a position of strength and the fact of the matter is AV has performed consistently, the Colts have not....they want to keep him they gotta be willing to pay him, and beyond paying him they need to re-recruit him. Competitors like AV want to win as much as they want to get paid.
----------------------------------------------------
He has spent the past 13 seasons in Indianapolis, but the Colts parted ways with Chuck Pagano and will hire Josh McDaniels as their head coach after the Super Bowl. Special teams coordinator Tom McMahon already has found a new job in Denver.

Vinatieri admits the direction of the franchise “definitely weighs in on all decisions.”

“I’ve been very fortunate to play on two very successful franchises over 22 years, and I enjoy playing on teams that win games,” Vinatieri said. “So hopefully we can get back there on this team as well, but that always plays a factor. It’s fun playing in January, February. It’s fun having a chance to play for a championship.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/adam-vinati...213347523.html

YDFL Commish 01-26-2018 03:12 PM

AV will be a Colt, and it will be for two more seasons.

sherck 01-26-2018 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 53432)
Gost will not score as much when the team dwindles in a couple of years. The only way he will keep those numbers up is if he follows McDaniels to Indy. :D

Agreed.

But, he is a very successful kicker and I would expect him to be able to probably stay above 100 points. That may end up having him need a extra season or two to break the point total but I could see him doing so in his early 40s with a couple of years to add to the record.

Or, he could get hit by a bus tomorrow....

Walk Worthy,

Racehorse 01-26-2018 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 53448)
Agreed.

But, he is a very successful kicker and I would expect him to be able to probably stay above 100 points. That may end up having him need a extra season or two to break the point total but I could see him doing so in his early 40s with a couple of years to add to the record.

Or, he could get hit by a bus tomorrow....

Walk Worthy,

I was hoping for a meteor strike in Minneapolis in a bit over a week, but a bus would suffice.

DrSpaceman 01-26-2018 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sherck (Post 53428)
The biggest factor is that AV is only 58 points away from becoming the NFL's career scoring leader. Do you not think that Jim Irsay wants the horseshoe on the side of his helmet when that happens?

It will have been 11 seasons since Morton Andersen retired (2007) after breaking the previous record in 2006 from Gary Anderson (retired in 2004) who took it from George fricking Blanda in 2001. The scoring record was broken twice from 2001 - 2006 and then not again until now. It will be a big deal next year when AV does it and he better have the shoe on when he does so.

Also, behind AV, there is:
Phil Dawson, 1,817 points, 670 points behind, age 42 (not happening)
Sebastian Janikowski, 1,799 points, 688 points behind, age 39
Matt Bryant, 1,624 points, 863 points behind, age 42 (not happening)
Stephen Gostkowski, 1,613 points, 874 points behind, age 33

AV has averaged scoring 126 points per season over his career
SJ has averaged scoring 106 points per season over his career
SG has averaged scoring 134 points per season over his career

If AV kicks in 2018, scores 126 and finishes with 2,613 points:

SJ has to kick until the 2024 season (age 47) at his career average to break the record
SG has to kick until the 2024 season (age 40) at his career average to break the record

So, AV will own the record for probably at least 5-6 seasons before it is broken if either of those gentlemen play that long.

The money does not matter; top paid kicker in the NFL (Gostowski) makes an average of $4.3m per year. Chump change....

So, I think he is a priority re-sign for no other reason than the fan excitement in seeing one of our own earn that kind of NFL record. Even with a new coach, schemes and the return of Luck, you cannot buy fan excitement like seeing one of your guys earn NFL career records.

Walk Worthy,


I don't really care about the NFL scoring record.

No one cares much about kicking records. I couldn't have told you who had the record now.

Butter 01-26-2018 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpaceman (Post 53492)
I don't really care about the NFL scoring record.

No one cares much about kicking records. I couldn't have told you who had the record now.

I would guess Kickers and their Moms care.

sherck 01-27-2018 07:23 AM

No one cares about career NFL records?

Have you been to the NFL Hall of Fame? Career records are the bomb diggidy because it is one thing that every player who enters the NFL can aspire for.

I don't get your mindset on this. No one cares about an accomplishment that has taken AV 20+ years to achieve?

Unreal.

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omahacolt 01-27-2018 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DrSpaceman (Post 53492)
I don't really care about the NFL scoring record.

No one cares much about kicking records. I couldn't have told you who had the record now.

Yep

Don’t care

DrSpaceman 01-27-2018 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sherck (Post 53498)
No one cares about career NFL records?

Have you been to the NFL Hall of Fame? Career records are the bomb diggidy because it is one thing that every player who enters the NFL can aspire for.

I don't get your mindset on this. No one cares about an accomplishment that has taken AV 20+ years to achieve?

Unreal.

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Non, I said no one cares about kicking records.

How many kickers are in the HOF?

Did you know Justin Tucker is the all time leader in FG percentage?

Shane Lechler is the all time leader in punting average?

And of course who can forget than Vanderjerk at one time was the all time leader in FG percentage?

Obviously that mean nothing to the Colts at the time because they cut him and signed AV.

AV will be in the HOF whether he breaks the scoring record or not.

Kicking records are an afterthought, an interesting tidbit brought, you say, "Wow, who knew?" and then you quickly forget

1965southpaw 01-28-2018 12:49 AM

Hmmm...peetz and eberflauss has been widely reported. I could see Taub for special teams but Spagnolo under eberflauss? Seems like a big step down for him but what do I know.

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2018/...ching-staff/3/


USA Today gives Colts an "a" for mcdaniels hire.

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2018/...cdaniels-hire/

rcubed 01-28-2018 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by 1965southpaw (Post 53530)
Hmmm...peetz and eberflauss has been widely reported. I could see Taub for special teams but Spagnolo under eberflauss? Seems like a big step down for him but what do I know.

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2018/...ching-staff/3/


USA Today gives Colts an "a" for mcdaniels hire.

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2018/...cdaniels-hire/

Maybe dude just needs a job

Racehorse 01-28-2018 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1965southpaw (Post 53530)
Hmmm...peetz and eberflauss has been widely reported. I could see Taub for special teams but Spagnolo under eberflauss? Seems like a big step down for him but what do I know.

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2018/...ching-staff/3/


USA Today gives Colts an "a" for mcdaniels hire.

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2018/...cdaniels-hire/

Does anyone else find Coltswire at USA Today a little lacking in depth of analysis?


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