Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 145008)

Colts and Orioles. I said that they spent years trying to get a franchise qb, and were shit.I did not say all those years had anything to do with getting Manning. By shit I meant that they did not play any games that meant a damn thing after the first month or so of the season. Those were not fun teams to root for. The most exciting day of the year was draft day, I still have years of Pro Football draft digests to prove it. I don't want to go down that rabbit hole again. Obviously I would like to improve our qb play but not at the expense of the rest of the team. By that I mean not going all in for a qb that may or may not be a franchise guy by giving up a lot of assets to get him. By assets I mean draft assets ie picks.

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 145046)

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The Colts had 6 losing seasons in that period between 1984 and 1996.

The Colts were the laughingstock from 1984 through 1986, when they won a total of 12 games (and lost 36.) The Eric Dickerson during the 1987 season trade changed that, and it showed in their record. I don't see going 9-6 with a division title, 9-7, and 8-8 as "shit."

I suppose that we have different definitions of "shit." For me, there was a significant difference between the 1984-1986 teams (that went a combined 12-36), the 1991 and 1993 teams (that went a combined 5-27), and the other teams between 1984 and 1996 that went .500 or better (except for the 7-9 1990 team.)


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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 145053)

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That said, I do acknowledge that those .500 or better teams between 1987 and 1996 were a long way from being the perennial contenders that they were with Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck for almost every season between 1999 and 2018. In almost all of those Manning/Luck seasons I could at least dream of a Super Bowl appearance, while the only time that I had that in the pre-Manning/post-Baltimore years was 1995 and 1996 ........ and just a bit in 1987 when I saw an immediate transformation with the Dickerson trade.


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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 145099)

I don't intend to argue with you. You can look at the numbers on paper and come up with whatever you want, but I lived through those years in Indianapolis and surrounding areas and those were not good years. I think the majority of Colts fans would agree with me. And personally, no, I don't consider fighting to finish 8-8 every year as "good". Eric Dickerson never wanted to be here and didn't do all that much either.

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 145106)

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I don't want to argue with you either.

To say that Dickerson didn't do all that much when he was hear is absurd. They immediately went from being the worst team the league to winning a division title, largely because of him. It's not a coincidence that the Colts went 12-36 in the 3 years before he arrived, and then went 26-21 in his first 3 seasons with the team.

I also don't consider 8-8 to be a good season, but rather a mediocre season.


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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 145109)

The view from Baltimore must have been nice. Bc people had little excitement about the team till Harbaugh almost took them to a SB. Sitting through the Emtman draft disaster, Jeff George disaster. It was an endless cycle of almost, then mediocre, then bad again. I don’t remember anyone even being remotely excited about Dickerson, he certainly wasn’t excited about being here. Manning finally turned it into a football state.

Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 151874)

Thinking about Brissett's leadership, does his leadership take a hit when he either doesn't see open WRs, or sees them and doesn't make a throw that is even close to accurate?

I was in the JB camp early on when he was scoring and not turning the ball over, but after the injury, he wasn't close to the same player. Can he get back to there and improve?

I don't want to bash the guy, because he is a Colt, but where is his ceiling? Has he reached it?

Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 151874)

Thinking about Brissett's leadership, does his leadership take a hit when he either doesn't see open WRs, or sees them and doesn't make a throw that is even close to accurate?

I was in the JB camp early on when he was scoring and not turning the ball over, but after the injury, he wasn't close to the same player. Can he get back to there and improve?

I don't want to bash the guy, because he is a Colt, but where is his ceiling? Has he reached it?